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Hellfrost
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SBT wrote:
Hellfrost wrote:

I noticed the exact same thing a week ago! I took 2 Flameout a week ago because my joints were hurting, this whole week libido went down the drain, I was shocked.


Wait, you took two Flameout capsules one time and think this caused a decline in your libido?

Like an abacus without beads, this doesn't add up.


That's the odd thing, usually I take 1 serving so 4 caps a day until I stopped recently. Decided to take a 2 last week and same thing happened, could be a million different things why I felt like that, just my own experience.

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j77 wrote:
bomberlow wrote:
Are u sure it's nothing externally that's disrupting things, stress, poor sleep, a girlfriend you dont fancy no more?!



I've actually been sleeping better than usual over the past month.

I'm not stating that fish oil kills libido. More or less posing the question whether or not fish oil can affect people in different ways similar to other supplements.


Getting less sleep actually improves my sex drive dramatically. I'm thinking it's a serotonin thing.

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Iv been taking 10g of fish oil a day 5 days a week. On weekends I dont take any and I must say on monday morning i get wake up standing to attention. I also take 44mg of zinc weekday mornings. during the week its like a half on and weekends it full on.

So make of that what you will.

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I have also noticed a decrease in libido on fish oil. The brand was "Finest Natural" from Walgreens and I was taking ~4g a day.

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God damn! I've been noticing the same thing. I was about to start a thread about it.My sex drive has dissapeared completely for about 2 weeks now. I started mega dosing fish oil to about 10 grams/day maybe more, 3 weeks ago. My sex drive has always been ridiculously strong and now suddenly I don't feel the urge. I was actually thinking that the protein supp I was using was laced with deca or something.
I've eliminated all foods that I thought could be contributing to this but never thought of the fish oil.
Of course it may not be the fish oil. Will cut it out and update

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Mr. Black
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I really doutbt fish oil is lowering your libido, what if you ate 2 pounds of fish a day would you feel the same affect.Probably don't need to consume 10 grams a day, some wouldn't even consider this mega dosing, but it might be more than your body needs, intense training takes a toll on your mind and body there's only so much testosterone to go around, i guess that is a little strange to be in your 20's and feel lower sex drive, maybe increase your saturated fat intake a bit, just a thought.

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Darkane
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vatoslocos wrote:
my libido is gone, for almost a year now.

after tons of research i found why this actually happens.

first to say is that i have very low bodyfat.
bodyfat is needed for aromatase. testosteron to estradiol conversion.

while i was taking lots of, ginkgo, green tea, olive oil, chocolate and fish oil
my libido DECLINED.

why is it that when you start to live healthier, things stop working?
and you search the net for, testosterone enhancing herbs and products.

this is what happens. ALL THOSE FOODS destroy aromatase
and FISH OIL destroys E2 receptors in the cell nucleus.
so i end up with wayyy to low estrogen from low bodyfat and aromatase inhibition
and also destroyed estrogen receptors from the fish oil.
ending up with NO LIBIDO, and VERY HARD TO SET OFF and MAINTAIN erection.

why are those products benificial for others you ask?

because most people have average bodyfat and estrogen levels, sometimes slightly higher.
so lowering estrogen balances this hormone and their testosterone inproves.

ever wondered why zinc supplements work for some? because it inhibits aromatase = estrogen production.

it's all about balance!!


Hey,

Not that I'm calling you a liar, but did you have blood test confirmation?

I'll play devils advocate, Perhaps your endogenous testosterone production for some reason or another is way down.

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Adam Bomb
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It's interesting that this was posted because I have been taking 10-12g of Optimum Nutrition Fish Oil a day and I have notice the same effects. Low sex drive, when I get it up it is not rock solid as it should be at 27.

I am going to cut the fish oil out and see what happens, it has been a few days since I have taken any.

I was doing some googleing and came across a reference that about 1/5 of men have this response to fish oil.

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Chi-Towns-Finest
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edvizard wrote:
Hi. This comment is really just suggestion/question regarding this issue. Please excuse me and put me straight if I'm off the mark. I have a mild loss of drive too, however this has also been during a cutting phase, when I have cut total cals and although aiming to reduce carbs mainly, I've come to the realisation that I've also inadvertendly considerably reduced total & sat fat intake, while increasing flax and fish oils. Could it be that I'm now lacking in saturated fat intake, and this is the real reason for loss of drive and apparent link to fish oils? I'm going to try throwing in a can of cocunut milk in replace of another meal.


I can relate here, I'm four weeks out from my show and have a severe lack of interest in sexual activity. My theory is that it stems from our body's being in a 'starvation mode' -- in other words, our bodies use all our energy to maintain muscle and brain power and are less inclined to procreate. This is just my theory, I didn't notice this my last prep because I was using yohimbe. This time around, I'm not sexually active or masturbating and still not easily aroused.

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andrew_live
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searched for RED KAT and found a link to bb.com

Since when the hell is fucking bodybuilding.com allowed to sell Biotest supps? They only have a few things in right now. Everything else is on back order.

Be cool if someone told me what the hell is up with that.

About getting t-levels checked: Do I just go to my family doctor (never seen him before) and say "I want my testosterone levels checked"? I'll try to check back in with you fuckers later but since I started my new job followed closely by loss of my vehicle followed also by losing all plumbing in my house I've been busy.


That means PM me. See if this notify button works though.

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andrew_live
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........................HELLLLOOOOOO!!!!!..............................

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vatoslocos
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here is the evidence that you need estrogen for libido.
estrogen is not bad, it is essential for males.

DHA from fish oil seems to wack ERalpha.
study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...pubmed/19369047

Mice need estrogen receptors for Sexual Agression (libido)
study: http://www.jstor.org/pss/26663...
fun to read actually :) our small brains are just like theirs..

Phytoestrogens are weak plant estrogens that interfere with the estrogen receptor, that is still available.
But this is the downside, all those plant chemicals seem to inhibit AROMATASE enzyme.
think about this, why would a plant have chemicals that inhibit aromatase?

for it's survival from omnivores?
when you realise that estrogen is a vital hormone for reproduction in animals,
then all those plant eating animals (they have to eat LOTS of leaves for their calories) and their hormone production gets imbalanced and they can not reproduce which helps surival of the plant species.
(that was just a thought tho)

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I too have been taking Fish Oil for a few years now. Noticed a huge difference in my joints, specifically my knees. Nothing in the libido area tho.

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On the top of my head, I would expect fish oil to increase libido, as it has been shown to do in fat diabetics with heart disease. Since this is likely do to reparing blood flow, it isnt really applicable to people on this site.

Another thing i thought about, is that some prostaglandins derived from omega-6 fatty acids are needed for erection. A lot of omega-3's will competively inhibit the synthesis of these, because omega-3 and -6 use the same enzyme system. By this mechanism, eating a lot of omega-3's would make harder to get an erection. I dont know if this is the case. Shouldnt change actual libido, though, just erection.

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supa power wrote:
God damn! I've been noticing the same thing. I was about to start a thread about it.My sex drive has dissapeared completely for about 2 weeks now. I started mega dosing fish oil to about 10 grams/day maybe more, 3 weeks ago. My sex drive has always been ridiculously strong and now suddenly I don't feel the urge. I was actually thinking that the protein supp I was using was laced with deca or something.
I've eliminated all foods that I thought could be contributing to this but never thought of the fish oil.
Of course it may not be the fish oil. Will cut it out and update


Just an update. It's been 3 days since I cut out the fish oil and my libido is back with a bang, horny as hell again thank god.
I cant believe how suppressive that stuff was for me. My thoughts are that the fish oil I was using (It was not Biotest's stuff) may have had a high content of PCBs and contaminants, perhaps negatively influencing testosterone? Who knows.
All I know is that I wont be using it again.

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supa power wrote:
supa power wrote:
God damn! I've been noticing the same thing. I was about to start a thread about it.My sex drive has dissapeared completely for about 2 weeks now. I started mega dosing fish oil to about 10 grams/day maybe more, 3 weeks ago. My sex drive has always been ridiculously strong and now suddenly I don't feel the urge. I was actually thinking that the protein supp I was using was laced with deca or something.
I've eliminated all foods that I thought could be contributing to this but never thought of the fish oil.
Of course it may not be the fish oil. Will cut it out and update


Just an update. It's been 3 days since I cut out the fish oil and my libido is back with a bang, horny as hell again thank god.
I cant believe how suppressive that stuff was for me. My thoughts are that the fish oil I was using (It was not Biotest's stuff) may have had a high content of PCBs and contaminants, perhaps negatively influencing testosterone? Who knows.
All I know is that I wont be using it again.


What brand did you use?

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dnlcdstn wrote:
supa power wrote:
supa power wrote:
God damn! I've been noticing the same thing. I was about to start a thread about it.My sex drive has dissapeared completely for about 2 weeks now. I started mega dosing fish oil to about 10 grams/day maybe more, 3 weeks ago. My sex drive has always been ridiculously strong and now suddenly I don't feel the urge. I was actually thinking that the protein supp I was using was laced with deca or something.
I've eliminated all foods that I thought could be contributing to this but never thought of the fish oil.
Of course it may not be the fish oil. Will cut it out and update


Just an update. It's been 3 days since I cut out the fish oil and my libido is back with a bang, horny as hell again thank god.
I cant believe how suppressive that stuff was for me. My thoughts are that the fish oil I was using (It was not Biotest's stuff) may have had a high content of PCBs and contaminants, perhaps negatively influencing testosterone? Who knows.
All I know is that I wont be using it again.


What brand did you use?


I used "Seven Seas"

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Adam Bomb
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I haven't taken fish oil since last Friday and I have noticed libido and pole rigidity coming back to normal. I am going to be cutting my fish oil amounts way down.

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This very thing has had me so concerned that I joined this website. I don't train as a body builder, but I do exercise. On or about October 16th, I started taking--I'm embarrassed to admit--15g of fish oil a day. Very slowly, my libido DIED. DEAD. Porn is like watching a nature show. My girlfriend--brilliant, beautiful, built--started to look about as appealing as a sofa.

AND, no "pole", as you guys put it. So I started thinking: could it be the fish oil? Thank God I found this thread. By the way, my sex drive before this was ANIMALISTIC.

Here's my question: for you guys who went through this, how long does it take for things to get back to normal? I hope the damage isn't permanent. This is day four off the fish oil.

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I'm going through this...I could find next to nothing on the internet about this. Thank God for this website and forum. For those of you who experienced it and stopped the fish oil: how long did it take to recover?

This is day four off of fish oil after almost a month of megadosing on fish oil.

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I think the problem here is too much of a good thing. It's like a teenager and the "well it says to take 5 a day, so I'll take 10 a day and get double the results". We all know this isn't the case with supps.

I take 5 grams of fish oil (Now 500 DHA) every other day and 6 grams of flax oil the other days. Besides those, vit d3, zma and whey isolate I don't take shit.

FTR my drive is that of a 13 yo in a porn store.

Everything in moderation people.

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BulletproofTiger
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It's really well over my head, but you might just need more cholesterol in your diet. Omega 3's modulate cholesterol trafficking which affects steroidogenesis. Perhaps a lack of substrate (cholesterol) combined with that (very high) dose of omega 3s created a situation where your cells were trying to increase steroidogenesis but the materials just weren't there.

...That or just back off the dose. Also, if something happened like this it's going to be hard to say how long it will take to "recover" because perhaps the lipid structure of your cells has changed.

Browsing applicable journals might shed some light on this: i.e. http://www.endocrine-abstracts...

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j77
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Wow, it's crazy to see this thread living 5 years later after I started it! I actually forgot that I opened a discussion on this topic back then. Some of the threads‚?? readers may be interested in my personal experience in the years following thread creation... so I will share.

The final verdict (for me) is that consistent fish oil intake has a significant impact on my libido. While I don't remember the exact number of times I performed the fish oil experiment, it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-15 times over the last 5 years. In fact I just completed the most recent one today. Every repetition of the experiment was Fish Oil only with the exception of the most recent one. On the Fish Oil front, I have only taken Flameout since it was released by Biotest (forgot the year). Back in the timeframe of starting this thread, I tried a few different brands. For the Flameout only versions of the experiment, I typically dosed at 2 capsules twice a day for a total of 4 caps. In the earlier days, I took a little more‚?¶ but not much more.

When beginning a new experiment repetition, I usually didn't notice too much of an impact until day 4 or 5, which is when my morning wood typically began to fade. By the end of the second week I am completely disinterested in sex; whether it be indifference to a shockingly hot girl walking in front of me in tight pants or ignoring the attractive girl waiting for me in my own bed.... lack of interest is the outcome. Frequency and intensity of erections are by far the most noticeable symptom, everything else is purely subjective... albeit very noticeable.

I report all of this with great sadness. It is a very sad truth for me and the only reason I repeated the experiment so many times is because I wanted it to turn out differently each time due to some of the benefits I enjoy from fish oil. While it doesn't do much for my joints... damn does it do wonders for my skin! My complexion is damn near perfect after a week or so of taking it. I do feel a tad sharper mentally when taking it as well.

For what it's worth, I experimented with many types of diets while performing the various experiments to see if it would help. In the end, I only marginally stemmed the libido reduction with dietary changes. A massive bulking diet complete with all sorts of extra cholesterol had a very minor hedging effect, but it was minor. Every other dietary mix proved insignificant and the libido loss was the same. These various experiments also occurred during periods of time that covered just about all levels of stress, sleep health and overall health. So I can‚??t blame any of those external factors.

This most recent experiment (2 months in total) was a little different than the others and gave me the most significant libido shut down to date. I decided to introduce Krill Oil into the mix. I took 2 Mercola Krill Oil capules with breakfast, 2 Flameout capsules with lunch and 2 Flameout capsules with dinner. The libido shutdown was complete by day 5. After the 2nd week, I went down to 2 Flameouts from 4... but there was not even a slight increase in libido after 3 weeks of that. The last 3 weeks I went down to just the 2 Krill Oil capsules in the morning with breakfast. I did notice a minor increase in libido after a week or so of doing this, but it was only back to a level that is still low by my normal standards.

About me, I am approximately 185lbs these days and 8% bodyfat. I have been very close to this composition for the past year. In past years, I think I was generally between 190-195lbs and 10-14% bodyfat. I ran the fish oil experiment twice in the past year and while the most recent was the most significant impact, the previous one was fairly significant too relative to previous repetitions. In retrospect, I am wondering if the previous poster‚??s statements about bodyfat hold water with me too. I have always been fairly lean on account of my natural tendencies, but I am a bit leaner these days that I‚??ve been before. That said, I am in no way dieting or cutting calories in any way. I have been on a maintenance diet for about 8 months. I am probably forgetting a bunch of interesting observations because I am condensing years of stuff into one post, but this is a decent summary.

j77 wrote:
Is there any effect on the latter from the former?

Up until a month ago, 90% of my efa's came from flax oil, olive oil, natty pb, and omega eggs. I have since added fish oil caps to the regimen, NOW SUPER EPA to be exact. After a week of steady use, I began to notice a steady decline in my 'interest'. All the equipment still functions properly (albeit less frequently), but the drive has been lacking. I didn't immediately think anything of it until the drive loss continued for more than a week. This is when I began suspecting a potential fish oil connection since nothing else has materially changed in my diet, sleep, or workout patterns.... is this a coincidence or a possible connection?

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j77
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Thought of a few other interesting items as I was eating:
1) During the first week or two of restarting fish oil consumption, there is a positive mirror effect of looking harder and improved definition. Since I typically drop a few pounds during this phase too, my unscientific assumption is that I don't hold as much water when taking fish oil.

2) I am not much of drinker, both in frequency and in volume. On the few occasions that had a few cocktails during the fish oil experiments, my morning wood would return the morning after the drinks were consumed. Then it would go back on sabbatical by the next day.

*both 1 & 2 lead me to think there is an estrogen connection to this fish oil phenomenon

3) I am thinking this whole phenomenon is more rooted in individual's hormonal feedback loops & balances. While low bodyfat may exacerbate the fish oil induced libido loss in individuals prone to it... I don't think it is the main factor. I imagine there are plenty of ultra-lean people mega dosing fish oil with zero impact on their libido. Unfortunately, just regular dosing affects me.

4) My next round with fish oil will be designed to find a dosing regimen that keeps my skin mostly clear, but maintains my libido to near normal. I may start off doing a 1 day on and 3 dyas off or something like that.

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how old are you ? and like chi town said low bf does have an affect on labido .
ive drank fish oil nearlly all my life and never had a problem , in the last 20 years alot a day , i dont measure it just swig it from the bottle.
my labido and interest dropped a bit when i reached 40 (im 43 now ) i take trib now 650mg twice a day one pre w/o the other in the evening .
it really helped me got me back on form to about the same as when i was in my late 20's

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