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Defaktor
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I'm sorry if this is in the wrong thread, dont hate!

So iv been wanting to start on the ECA stack, and have been reading lots of different things about it all over the web, but I usually always make my final decision off of tnation.

A buddy of mine whos been experimenting with clen, steroids, ECA for a long time now and is a national bodybuilding athlete (he knows what hes talking about, so i go to him for advice) told me that the aspirin isnt necessary in the ECA. However, what iv read on the internet is that the aspirin is necessary, so i kinda wanna hear what the people of tnation think.

Also, how do i cycle it/use it? Right now i do 200mg of caffeine in the morning with 24mg of ephedrine hcl, and then do the same in the pm.

any tips/thoughts/feelings/advice would be greatly appreciated!

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TYR
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Join date: Aug 2005
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If you go to him for advice and he says don't use aspirin, don't. End of discussion.

Personally, I don't use aspirin either when I use ephedrine.

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Bullyson
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Hmm.....I haven't seen Ephedrine HCL in twenty years. Where on earth is it sold now???

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Defaktor
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i get it at GNC

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jeanmich
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Never tried the EC stack...do you really see/feel a difference?

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JLone
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You can take low dose (81mg) aspirin or you can omit it and take extra omega 3 supplements.


What is the difference between an EC Stack and an ECA Stack?
-An ECA stack also includes aspirin. Aspirin in large doses is unsafe, so it is not recommended as an addition to the EC stack. Taking extra fish oil supplements can thin the blood in the same way asprin would during ingestion.

What are the risks to taking an EC Stack
-Ephedrine can increase your blood pressure significantly. If you already have prehypertension or hypertension, this will increase your risk for stroke and heart attack.
-Ephedrine can lower blood potassium levels putting you at risk for heart palpitations if your potassium intake is low.
-Ephedrine can enhance psychiatric issues such as depression and anxiety.
-Ephedrine increases your body temperature and can put you at greater risk of heat stroke.
-Ephedrine AND caffeine are vasoconstrictors. Because of this they increase risk in those who are already at risk for stroke and heart attack.

How to reduce your chance of an adverse event
-Always start slowly. If it is your first time taking it, take a half dose, and do not take it before exercise.
-Do not take it sporadically. The effects on blood pressure actually decrease as the time you have been on it increases. It remains effective for fat loss even with chronic use and without cycling. Cycling it, or going off for a period of time, has the main benefit of causing the appetite suppression to return.
-Do not use if you are pregnant or breastfeeding or trying to become pregnant.
-Do not use if you are hypersensitive to stimulants
-Do not assume that because you can tolerate large amounts of caffeine, that you can start on high doses of the EC stack.
-Don't take it with other stimulants or fat burners, or with your preworkout product. Creatine is okay.
-Don't take it if you are going to be in high heat and/or humidity, especially if you are playing sports. If you live in a subtropical climate like Florida, you may want to take something else instead. Since it raises your core temperature, you are at greater risk for heat stroke.
-Don't do HIIT while taking it. Skip the ephedrine if you want to do HIIT.
-I recommend consulting with your doctor regarding taking EC. A good doctor will monitor your blood pressure regularly, and check other health metrics, instead of just scolding you.
--Get adequate potassium intake. Ephedrine depletes potassium. Get at least twice as much potassium as sodium in your diet. Do not try to use potassium supplements as an overdose of potassium is fatal. For more info on potassium read Potassium - whfoods.com

Do not use if you have been diagnosed with any of the following
- high blood pressure, hypertension or prehypertension
- diabetes or prediabetes
- anxiety disorders, especially if you are on an SSRI, SNRI or MAOI
-any cardiovascular disease, angina, coronary heart disease, coronary artery disease
- hyperthyroidism
-heart palpitations or heart defects, tachyarrhythmias
- kidney problems, impaired adrenal function, hypoxia, hypercapnia, acidosis
-closed angle glaucoma, phaeochromocytoma, asymmetric septal hypertrophy (idiopathic hypertrophic subaortic stenosis), or ventricular fibrillation.

Stop taking it immediately if
-you see a spike in blood pressure which puts you in the hypertension range - check blood pressure regularly
-you experience chest pain, heart palpitations, irregular heart beat, skipped heart beats, high blood pressure, panic, dizziness, agitation, or any other symptoms that concern you.

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Bullyson
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I thought Ephedrine HCL was banned years ago???

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Aaronsrs
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Primatine or Bronkaid can be purchased at pretty much any pharmacy. 2 pills = 25g of Ephedra I think.

I've taken it both with and without the baby asprin (81mg) and don't notice a difference so I no longer use the aspirin.

The first couple of times you take it you kinda feel high and focused. Your body adapts pretty quickly and after a while you notice a little bit of focus but thats about it. Not sure how much it works as a fat burner but its amazing for appetite supression.

Please re-read JLones post if you plan on taking it. Good info there. Drink lots of water and stay away from any cardio besides walking. Your core temp is definitely higher than normal and you will sweat from doing just about anything.

I know everyones different, just some info from my own personal experience.

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Michael Crehan
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Join date: Sep 2011
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Bullyson wrote:
I thought Ephedrine HCL was banned years ago???

I heard you can get it at this place called The Black Market

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MaximusB
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Join date: Apr 2006
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Clen = worst headaches known to man.

Like seriously want to skull crush yourself willingly.

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ryanbCXG
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Bronkaid is 25mg eph

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browndisaster
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just started here, I use primatene

2 pills that (25 mg eph) + a caffeine pill (200mg) or some coffee or a lot of tea every 4 hours. I usually have 2 doses a day, sometimes 3

drink a lot of water and watch your blood pressure definitely
I've heard you need to keep potassium intake up but I don't know how much of that is broscience

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dannyrat
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Ahhh the first time :) halcyon days

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