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Chris Shugart
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fatcatindacity wrote:
Chris Shugart wrote:
fatcatindacity wrote:
Very interesting thread. I am still toying with the idea of following a more paleo diet. First of all everyone shoud watch the documentary "Food Matters." It discusses the issues of cancer and other diseases simply being related to vitamin and nutrient deficiency. It also talks about how there is no money in good health so pharmacy compnaies want to keep people on meds instead of promoting good nutrition. One question for anyone who has experiance with the paleo diet. Besides fruit what is an okay source of carbs? What about things like quinoa and sweet potatos? I know they are not paleo but are they acceptable? Any insight would be appreciated.


Mark Sisson's site (and book) is a great resource for all things paleo. I like his approach - not too crazy or anti-supplement; he'll say he's "primal" not "paleo.

Just type the name of a food into his search engine and it'll bring up his stance on it, most if which I'll agree with:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com...


Thanks Chris,

One thing I am still torn on is the subect of artificial sweeters, preservitives, etc. I have freinds who eat raw food vegan and they swear by it. I certainly avoid the "food like" substances that comes frozen in a box but I don't avoid all artificial sweeteners (like sucralose in Metabolic Drive.) At this point I am very happy with my physique and I am more concerned about life long health and giving death the finger so to speak. Any thoughts? Thanks again.


Despite Intranet panics, there's nothing wrong with Splenda. Most scare stories about artificial sweeteners are 1) based on the older artificial sweeteners, not sucralose, 2) used quantities in the animal studies that no human could ever ingest daily, and 3) at least a couple have been sponsored by the sugar industry, which makes them questionable.

In short, I eat "Paleo-ish" when it comes to solid foods, but I take advantage of modern supplements and have no worries about Splenda. Works for me.

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Muskulls
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I can't wait to hear back from you in 12 months.

On a completely related note, have you ever watched faith healers on TV? Any preacher with a fake tan and a profit motive can cure you of anything for 5 days.

Good luck.

af268 wrote:
My story:

About 8 months ago at the age of 20, I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. There was significant erosion in one of my toes and a great deal of swelling in my hands. The rheumatologist prescribed prednisolone along with four other drugs, most notably methotrexate. I play rugby semi professionally and was immediately told that I could basically give up any idea of playing for much longer.

After taking the meds for a couple of months my mother dragged me to an alternative therapies clinic where they poked and prodded me for an hour or so, i thought it was alot of nonsense. they suggested that i go on a gluten free diet. So the next day i reluctantly started the diet and within a week i noticed instant improvements in my digestive system and energy levels. i stopped taking any drugs about 5 months ago and now have no symptoms relating to the arthritis. No pain or swelling in any joints!

After further research i realised how much sense eliminating grains from my diet makes and am so happy that i pretty much stumbled upon it. I'm now reaping the benefits and try to encourage evryone to do the same.

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fatcatindacity
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Chris Shugart wrote:
fatcatindacity wrote:
Chris Shugart wrote:
fatcatindacity wrote:
Very interesting thread. I am still toying with the idea of following a more paleo diet. First of all everyone shoud watch the documentary "Food Matters." It discusses the issues of cancer and other diseases simply being related to vitamin and nutrient deficiency. It also talks about how there is no money in good health so pharmacy compnaies want to keep people on meds instead of promoting good nutrition. One question for anyone who has experiance with the paleo diet. Besides fruit what is an okay source of carbs? What about things like quinoa and sweet potatos? I know they are not paleo but are they acceptable? Any insight would be appreciated.


Mark Sisson's site (and book) is a great resource for all things paleo. I like his approach - not too crazy or anti-supplement; he'll say he's "primal" not "paleo.

Just type the name of a food into his search engine and it'll bring up his stance on it, most if which I'll agree with:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com...


Thanks Chris,

One thing I am still torn on is the subect of artificial sweeters, preservitives, etc. I have freinds who eat raw food vegan and they swear by it. I certainly avoid the "food like" substances that comes frozen in a box but I don't avoid all artificial sweeteners (like sucralose in Metabolic Drive.) At this point I am very happy with my physique and I am more concerned about life long health and giving death the finger so to speak. Any thoughts? Thanks again.


Despite Intranet panics, there's nothing wrong with Splenda. Most scare stories about artificial sweeteners are 1) based on the older artificial sweeteners, not sucralose, 2) used quantities in the animal studies that no human could ever ingest daily, and 3) at least a couple have been sponsored by the sugar industry, which makes them questionable.

In short, I eat "Paleo-ish" when it comes to solid foods, but I take advantage of modern supplements and have no worries about Splenda. Works for me.



Chris I have to thank you for pointing me in the direction of Mark Sisson and The Primal Blueprint. Just picked it up two days ago and finished it today. Fantastic read. Obviously as a T reader I am concerned about my body compistion and performance etc. I feel like I have a pretty good handle on that and recently I have been more concerned about life long health (and still looking good of course) and having a lot of energy. I have researched vegetarianism and veganism for a bit and (stupidly) was considering trying it. After further research I have certainly decided that a more primal diet would be more fitting. It just makes more sense.

Anyways I will get to the point. What are your thoughts on exercise. Mark promotes brief intense exercises and frequent low intensity exercises as you know. Any thoughts on this? I have always trained 5 to 6 days a week at moderate to high intensity. Thanks again Chris. Always good stuff on here.

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Chris Shugart
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fatcatindacity wrote:
What are your thoughts on exercise. Mark promotes brief intense exercises and frequent low intensity exercises as you know. Any thoughts on this? I have always trained 5 to 6 days a week at moderate to high intensity. Thanks again Chris. Always good stuff on here.



I think Sisson is a little soft on training. I like the idea of sprints vs. long duration cardio, but for the lifting stuff I'm a bodybuilder/physique-trainer at heart so I'll go with Thibaudeau, Poliquin, and the like.

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fatcatindacity
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Chris Shugart wrote:
fatcatindacity wrote:
What are your thoughts on exercise. Mark promotes brief intense exercises and frequent low intensity exercises as you know. Any thoughts on this? I have always trained 5 to 6 days a week at moderate to high intensity. Thanks again Chris. Always good stuff on here.



I think Sisson is a little soft on training. I like the idea of sprints vs. long duration cardio, but for the lifting stuff I'm a bodybuilder/physique-trainer at heart so I'll go with Thibaudeau, Poliquin, and the like.


Well glad to hear it. I don't think I could cut back on working out that much.

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always learning wrote:
What if modern medicine has gotten it all wrong. What if cancer is not all that confusing. What if 8 out of 10 people who get cancer cause it themselves? The more research I do, the more clear it becomes. Look up gerson or don tolman and there are so many but they basically say the same thing. Your body is already perfect, if you put perfect things into it then there is no problems.

How ever if you put "processed foods" which are not real food to begin with, that is when you start to see many problems. To make a long story short, your body in its simplicity is nothing more than a complex system of tubes. You can only do so many things to them in order to make them malfunction. Our major issue in America today is clogged tubes, clear the plaque and the body will heal its self. They say cancer is this scary thing, but what if it isn't?

What if its nothing more than cells dividing due to all the plaque that is covering it so that all those cells can try and do the job of that one cell. My father died of cancer a little less than a year ago and the more research I do the more clear it becomes. Our health care system, first should be called sick care system, is based on making profits and therefor only treats symptoms and not the causes. taking a drug is like punching out the dash board of the car when your oil light comes on, you have fixed the symptom but the oil still needs changed.

Pain killers are a simple example. Carpel tunnel and Si pain, Doctors say take these or lets open you up, either don't actually address why the nerves are acting up. acid reflux, they give you things to stop acid production, instead of having you stop eating the things that cause it. I could go on for hours but I'll stop there. The bottom line is you are what you eat.


There is so much wrong with this post it's insane. People really need to stop trying to get their education from the internet

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Miss Parker
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This column reminded me of one of the reasons I love my doctor. I asked him a nutritional question once & he replied, "Honestly, they don't teach us about nutrition in medical school. I know you've done a ton of research on nutrition (because I'd lost 40 lbs with T-Nation & Berardi's guidance!), so I'd advise you do what you believe is best. Sorry I can't be more help."

A short, honest, respectful answer. Cool doc.

I will also brag that once I lost the fat & started seriously working out I had a full physical & looking at the results he said, "The numbers don't get any better than this. It's going to be a long time before I see another chart this good."

T-Nation KICKS ASS.

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Chris Shugart
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Miss Parker wrote:
This column reminded me of one of the reasons I love my doctor. I asked him a nutritional question once & he replied, "Honestly, they don't teach us about nutrition in medical school. I know you've done a ton of research on nutrition (because I'd lost 40 lbs with T-nation & Berardi's guidance!), so I'd advise you do what you believe is best. Sorry I can't be more help."

A short, honest, respectful answer. Cool doc.

I will also brag that once I lost the fat & started seriously working out I had a full physical & looking at the results he said, "The numbers don't get any better than this. It's going to be a long time before I see another chart this good."

T-Nation KICKS ASS.



Nice!

And congrats!

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Exactly the kind of book I was looking for. Good post!

I was wondering what you thought about Dr. Cate's Book: Deep Nutrition?

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Chris Shugart
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Einzakin wrote:
Exactly the kind of book I was looking for. Good post!

I was wondering what you thought about Dr. Cate's Book: Deep Nutrition?



I haven't read that yet. I'll look into it though.

Thanks!

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ironbull121270
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Hey Chris! I just had some blood work done, and it showed that I had lowish testosterone ( 309 out of a 291 to 739 normal range) I've had some personal crisis in the last 6 months, so I think thats most of the problem. But on the subject of no more meds- the food like effect, Its like the chicken vs the egg- what comes first. Alot of guys say- get HRT, so you can get back to normal, so working out and eating right pays off. Or should I tuff it out, and work out hard and eat right, so as to get my T back up. Currently eating primal, and taking Rez-V, Flameout, and Curcumin for a couple weeks now. Pretty sure I have high estrogen (wasnt checked on blood lab, even though I asked him to). Progress on my fat loss has been very slow since even 6 months ago. Hope this question makes sense.

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ironbull121270 wrote:
Hey Chris! I just had some blood work done, and it showed that I had lowish testosterone ( 309 out of a 291 to 739 normal range) I've had some personal crisis in the last 6 months, so I think thats most of the problem. But on the subject of no more meds- the food like effect, Its like the chicken vs the egg- what comes first. Alot of guys say- get HRT, so you can get back to normal, so working out and eating right pays off. Or should I tuff it out, and work out hard and eat right, so as to get my T back up. Currently eating primal, and taking Rez-V, Flameout, and Curcumin for a couple weeks now. Pretty sure I have high estrogen (wasnt checked on blood lab, even though I asked him to). Progress on my fat loss has been very slow since even 6 months ago. Hope this question makes sense.


If your nutrition is dialed in AND you are taking the above supplements and STILL have low test then maybe try a few cycles of Alpha Male.

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Chris Shugart
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corstijeir wrote:
ironbull121270 wrote:
Hey Chris! I just had some blood work done, and it showed that I had lowish testosterone ( 309 out of a 291 to 739 normal range) I've had some personal crisis in the last 6 months, so I think thats most of the problem. But on the subject of no more meds- the food like effect, Its like the chicken vs the egg- what comes first. Alot of guys say- get HRT, so you can get back to normal, so working out and eating right pays off. Or should I tuff it out, and work out hard and eat right, so as to get my T back up. Currently eating primal, and taking Rez-V, Flameout, and Curcumin for a couple weeks now. Pretty sure I have high estrogen (wasnt checked on blood lab, even though I asked him to). Progress on my fat loss has been very slow since even 6 months ago. Hope this question makes sense.


If your nutrition is dialed in AND you are taking the above supplements and STILL have low test then maybe try a few cycles of Alpha Male.



I'd agree with this. Give the good nutrition and supps time to work. Hopefully the life stress will subside, and that can certainly help. Next step is Alpha Male. Then, if needed, TRT.

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corstijeir
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Chris Shugart wrote:
corstijeir wrote:
ironbull121270 wrote:
Hey Chris! I just had some blood work done, and it showed that I had lowish testosterone ( 309 out of a 291 to 739 normal range) I've had some personal crisis in the last 6 months, so I think thats most of the problem. But on the subject of no more meds- the food like effect, Its like the chicken vs the egg- what comes first. Alot of guys say- get HRT, so you can get back to normal, so working out and eating right pays off. Or should I tuff it out, and work out hard and eat right, so as to get my T back up. Currently eating primal, and taking Rez-V, Flameout, and Curcumin for a couple weeks now. Pretty sure I have high estrogen (wasnt checked on blood lab, even though I asked him to). Progress on my fat loss has been very slow since even 6 months ago. Hope this question makes sense.


If your nutrition is dialed in AND you are taking the above supplements and STILL have low test then maybe try a few cycles of Alpha Male.



I'd agree with this. Give the good nutrition and supps time to work. Hopefully the life stress will subside, and that can certainly help. Next step is Alpha Male. Then, if needed, TRT.


Also Rhodiola to help adapt to the stress before the Alpha Male if you want. But really make sure your nutrition IS dialed in and your workouts are going well. Also read John Meadow's article on Renal fatigue.

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ironbull121270
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Thanks guys. Going to keep at it like you said. Starting to get some sunshine in my neck of the woods finally too, so that should help.

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lmhr
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Has anyone eating stricly Paleo or Paleo-ish noticed difference in any allergies? I've been Paleo-ish for about 1 year now and I seem to be less allergic to cats. These days I only notice it a little bit and can spend the night in a house/apartment with cat(s) and it only gives me a little tingle.
While as before I could hardly stay for a few hours before my nose started running, irritated eyes, harder to breathe.
And this has been the same cat.

I dunno, it could very well be a coincidence or me just "growing out" of my allergies or other factors such as cleaning of the apartment etc. But I just find it interesting as I've noticed improvements overall by cutting grains.
And I can safely say that whatever the reason is. I am happy with this.

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AndreiG
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Let's not rubbish the medical profession just yet...Sure good food will do wonders and prevent a range of diseases but to say it will fix all problems is extreme.

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sawahladang
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hmmm... how to I connect this to my facebook ?

interesting and most of the time its true (the med like effect of food)>

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