You already quoted LL somewhere on this one:

gota love the food pyramid. All carbs no fat hmmm.

IMO, the most disturbing aspect of these "health" magazines & articles is not the fact that the information within is so blatantly wrong and misleading (I would hope most readers here are aware that HFCS = toxic sludge), it's the greater scope of this issue that's truly terrifying...particularly at that aforementioned government level.

Just think: If the AMA, FDA and ADA have these kinds of biased standards in "Eating Well", then just how bad are their regulations with:

(1) The pesticides and fertilizers used to grow (non-organic) regular produce, which are found in anywhere from trace amounts to large amounts in most fruits and veggies. Presently, certain amounts are deemed "safe" by big brother's agencies...though every year more and more of these same compounds are banned for producers's use.

(2) Public "treated" drinking water, which I just read not only contains a certain amount of contaminants after trreatment, but isn't even TESTED for several hundred other possible pollutants and carcinogens found in our environment.

(3) Many supplements, vitamins and minerals (which currently fly under the radar of the Food & Drug Administration entirely) that contain ingredients bought in bulk from countries like China (who as we all know have exceptional quality control laws...cough, cough), many of which have been found to have DANGEROUS levels of heavy metals and other harmfull agents and neuro disrupters.

Therefore, it's reasonable to assume if the game is rigged for things like HFCS by advertisers in these mags, then God knows what else awaits in these other healthier areas. Eeeee!

That's why I'm starting to think more and more like Paul Chek. Might as well...I'm already strating to look more like him anyway. :)

I think my favorite part of magazines like EatingHell is their use of brown sugar. Because, you know, brown is always healthy. Like wheat bread.

Sigh.

Brown sugar, BTW, is just regular white sugar with molasses added.

Probably one of your blog posts I like the most Chris. What off-the-scale sarcasm! ;)

I posted these vids in the other thread, but they fit in nicely in this blog too, so here goes

Interview between Joe Mercola and Dr. Richard Johnson about his discoveries on HCFS-induced fat accumulation and disease



Follow-up interview, same topic:


Robert Lustig's "Sugar, the bitter truth" lecture:


Quite a load of evidence building up in the science world as to how corn syrup and fructose are worse for your health than sugar.

And now the billion $ question: what's gonna happen when health nuts catch on to this and start realizing that agave syrup and honey are upward of 60% fructose? My bet's on mass suicide ;)

That study you said that came out of Princeton last week, have they replicated the study comparing HFCS and sucrose or is that the same one released a few months back?

Actually, does anybody know whether that study has been replicated? I have been unable to find the full journal pdf but have heard that it was a poorly structured study from a nutritional science standpoint.

hey Silverhydra,

here's a link to a study posted by Josh Rider on this thread: http://tnation.T-Nation.com/...pageNo=0#bottom

refutation of Princeton study: http://weightology.net/...kly/?page_id=19

Shugs, this HFCS is the "functional training" of nutrition, really

I do think that for lay people, it's more a matter of following the advice of the "authorities" in any given field, whereas people like us, despite being lean and healthy, are really just outsiders, some *gasp* not even having a diploma. Hence who are we to give others advice?

Then when the advice lay people were given doesn't work, they just shrug and say it must be their genetics or blame it on the drugs all iron heads are taking.

But for the industry people, for the university-educated crowd... There's just no excuse not to know any better. There's just too damn much intellectual lazyness, willingness to follow blindly the lead of those of have a stake in an issu, or a maybe they themselves have a financial bias directly tied to a certain crappy product being shoved down people's gullet.

Impartiality is dead, period, and you either follow the guidelines Govt or other people who "have your own interest at heart" hand out, or you work for them. Ok, maybe not that bad, but for those who don't, there's always this aura of "hedge wizardry" or junk science hanging around because you're not doing all that's written in the official manuals.

Just for shits and giggles, here's a contest on Charles Poliquin's blog about a diet:
http://www.charlespoliquin.com/...t.aspx#Comments

Don't believe a B.Sc in freaking NUTRITION, who wrote this diet, recommanded soy milk as a snack and chocolate milk for post-workout? Let me tell you: I could be worse! I have a sports nutrition book from Marielle Ledoux, Ph.D, head of the nutrition dept. at Université de Montréal, one of the best science school in Canada. That stupid recommandation originates from her, in this very book, written black on white. For those of you reading this who have been to a Biosignature seminar, yes, that's the same Marielle Ledoux CP mentions in class. I had the dubious honor of having a course with her in my undergrad.

The book she wrote in sports nutriton is so freaking stupid and full of shit that I even teased CP I'd send him a copy, just to give him another heart attack! It's all about carbs being necessary for performance and energy, caloric expenditure, etc. Gary Taubes' worst nightmare in paperback

If it wasn't in French, I'd send you a copy too Chris. Then you'd know what Eating Hell is really all about! ;)

And btw, sorry; didn't mean to ramble on so much about this topic!

silverhydra:

i think you are missing the point. Shugart likes to push buttons. very little can be said concisely that is 100% true. here's an exception to that rule: cheap vegetable oils (soy, corn, etc) + highly refined, cheap carbohydrates are creating an epidemic in the US that is being exported around the world. people are undeniable getting fatter and less healthy because of the garbage they put in their mouth. trying to just eat less crap doesn't work if you want to win and people here want to win.

sure, if some old fogey can only get down extremely palatable food made of those ingredients then it is better than dieing. this site doesn't have anything to do with that.

possibly this site takes the 'us vs them' a little to far but the central point is something i and many others strongly believe in. that includes what seems to be consensus recommendations coming from healthcare professionals.

I think you may be misunderstanding of the words "most", "many", and "average."

I only classified myself as such in order to defend some in said classification, I don't waive the 'dietetic student' banner around needlessly.

Yea, I know only too well what you're getting at. I picked up a National Health Service booklet over here in England, last week that genuinely advised that your diet should be based primarily around bread, pasta, and STARCHY carbohydrates... maybes if you were a professional cyclist or full-time marathon runner etc, but even then....

I was quite sickened to be honest

Ah - basing this on the same bullshit Princeton study that's been proven a research methodology nightmare?

You mean the Princeton study that takes a massive dump on scientific method, then fucks scientific method in the ass, spewing HFCS all over it?

More bro-science than anybody should ever have to accept!! Lol - c'mon Chris - you can do better than this silly crap.

Do me a favor - explain precisely how HFCS breaks down into some magical form of glucose. If you could draw me a lewis-diagram of just what kind of "different" glucose molecule HFCS breaks down to over any other sugar source - and if you could describe the exact biochemical pathway complete with all intermediate products, then maybe we'd have something based on actual science to discuss, but other than that, you're just parroting anecdotal evidence based on one of the most poorly designed studies in recent memory.

Funny - sitting in Concepts in Nutrition with the head of the department at Post teaching the course - we were JUST talking about HFCS this morning in class, and she was laughing her ass off at assertions that somehow, HFCS breaks down into magically "different" glucose...so awesome.

She's a PhD and head of the program, also is on the board at NS/LIJ (one of the largest, most respected hospital/health-care systems in the NY area) and get this- is slim as a reed and quite lovely at 60 years old. But - she's probably just some fucking idiot RD who has no idea what she's talking about, right Chris?

Lol - you'll NEVER let this post through.