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amie00id
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I hope you don't mind, I used your article in a debate. It was very well written and I love the content. I gave you credit for your work but I made sure it was clear that I agreed with ever word. Funny the fat people where agents it using genetics over and over and over. Even though evolution doesn't work that fast?¦ Cry me a tear people you choose how you live!! The fit people would only agree cause saying anything else was to taboo. How ever thanks to you I won the debate that fat people should be held accountable and hectored the same as smokers.

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SquattMax wrote:
... and on the other side... now that everyone has cheered what is simply a hate rant...

My wife... with complete kidney failure and balance issues because the fluid level in her body is always fluctuating-- five kilos in two days if you really want to know... fifty kilos of fluid that she can't get off because every time we try to push her further, her blood pressure drops to <100 over <50 and she passes out... and neuropathy of the feet and lower legs, so she can't feel the ground when she does walk... and surgery for mineral deposits that took 45% of the muscle tissue in her left calf, so when she DOES walk, she walks with a cane or a walker...

so yup... she's overweight... and doing what she can about it... three years ago she couldn't get TO the bathroom alone, let alone take care of herself when she got there...

she's one of those fat people you hate... just so you know... and about half of the time, she rides one of those electric carts... just so you know... and the other half of the time, she pushes a shopping cart and we double our time budget because she has to be so careful not to fall... just so you know...

there are those whose health problems will NOT be solved by diet and exercise... to believe otherwise is to wear blinders... I coach for My living too, and I'm well aware that nearly all of us can do more physically than we believe we can... and I push her to do just that, but I can't push her any harder than she drives herself... the woman is amazing...

oh yah, I fergot... three days a week she's hooked up to a machine to clean her blood so she doesn't die in ten days or less... and remove as much of that fluid buildup as she can stand, before her legs cramp up so tight she can't even get out of the chair she's confined to while the machine does its thing... then she comes Home with a dehydration headache than can take all night to get past... cuz every ounce of fluid she takes IN will have to be taken OUT by machine... ~~points out the obvious result of having NO kidney function~~ ... and STILL makes dinner for her coaching husband who may not be Home before ten pm or midnight or two am if it's football season... and STILL takes care of household chores so I don't have to...

and if I ever see the reaction in public that reflects the attitude you show here, we'll both just hope it's not you... cuz My very least response will be to reflect that hate filled attitude right back to you...

~~takes a breath... steps off the box... regrets having ever read this thread, as He really DID like the author right up until today...~~

have a great day,

Coach Bear

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amie00id
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Sorry I don't know how to use this program yet in response to Coach Bear. I know how your wife feels and as in I know I mean I know! I was diagnosed with renal disease at the tender age of 19. I runs in my family. I did not know this at that doctors appointment. I had moved out on my own at 18 spent a summer wild land fire fighting then began work at a ski resort in Wyoming. I was so proud of myself for doing so well out on my own for the first time, I did not want my family to know that I was sick. Which was easy cause my Dad was on sabbatical in Pennsylvania with my family.

So I started to take the medications, and do the dialysis, I did not have medical insurance so I had to work and every penny I was made from fire fighting was going to the treatment. I got to a point where I was getting weak there where moments when I was crawling like a beast because I could not stand. If you see my bikini picture that is me at 135 lbs I did not have the strength to stand and make dinner, I ate any raw food I had out of my fridge. I dropped to 102 lbs. I had barely any muscle left and to top it off my home was invaded and I was attacked.

I tried to fight and I after the attack was over I threw my self through a window to get help. It worked, I finally called my Dad. He immediately boarded a plane and was with me in a matter of hours. When he saw me, I could see the fear in his eyes. He saw death in his little girl. I felt dead, after we left the hospital he picked me up in his arms paid my rent for the next 5 months and flew me to Germany. See I lived in a great neighborhood there was just a bad missionary scouting in it.

I was at the point they wanted to do a transplant but I have a rare blood type B- RH-. So the only donor could be my older sister who has adopter religious beliefs saying its wrong to donate organs. So be it.

When I got Germany I saw an alternative doctor, who put me on a kidney cleanse, then herbs to support kidney function, and on teas that promote kidney health. He put me on a very particular diet that is easy on the kidneys. Then he explained to me what the side effects from the American medicine would be, and what I had to face. He told me that medicine does not need to have side effects, but they do because doctors make more money treating side effect. With more medicines that have more side effects. See I took me 3 months to get completely back to normal again.

With complete kidney function, I am not saying the American Doctors would not have cured me eventually. I am still paying those bills from 9 years ago when I should be getting refunds for a damaged product. The alternative medicine did not hurt, did not make me vomit. I have the side effect from the American meds too I get ulcers I heal them alternatively, Im infertal, Im going deaf Im starting sign language classes. I have to try and find work that likes deaf people.

All that aside I have a second chance, everything is beautiful to me. I will never willingly be found in a doctors office again. So I do not put anything bad into my body, my body is my greatest asset, I exercise daily and I am strong now. I can not say I would have been this way if I did not have to face that disease. You should look into other options the other options saved my life. My Grandpa was healed in Germany that is why my Dad took me there, so was my Dads uncle he has had to do it 3 time with one transplant. I am not saying it will work for your wife, but is the treatment she is getting now working? Chris said MOST fat people also, he is not critisizing those with real reasons for it. I can't imagine finding an excuse not to exercise. Having a good body and desroying it for a happy meal is insane, is sick, and bears no excuses. This obviousely is not your wife.

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Dr_Razor wrote:
PS - the data supplied by Calorie Lab was based on the CDC measures of obesity (which may appear good at first blush).

http://www.cdc.gov/...ty/defining.htm

But this statistic is based on BMI which is not an accurate indicator of true fitness.

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/...ity/bmi_tbl.htm

According to this chart Reggie Bush of the NO Saints and Dustin Pedroia of the Boston Red Sox would be considered overweight or 'The Oak' would be considered obese (are you kidding me?)

Sadly too many people rely on standards or methods are that badly outdated.


BMI at the individual level is flawed, but for population level research it works just fine. Do you really think the average BMI of Texas and Mississippi is higher just because there are just so darn many jacked guys walking around?
No. The number of people with enough muscle to throw off their BMI score is too small to have an effect on population data.

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steadfastred
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You are not free unless you are free to make bad decisions.

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musclegym
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Grindsmen wrote:
Why isnt "Nutrition" taught in Grade School or High School? And why are schools loaded with crap filled vending machines? Pop, candy bars, or maybe some "healthy" sugar water. Anyone?

Why arent Dr.'s taught Nutrition? Why is it all about the drugs these days? Why are professors at Med Schools like Harvard on the board at Pharmaceutical companies? Can you say "Billion Dollar Industry"?

Our current society makes it very easy to be fat and lazy. It's crammed down our throats each and every day by companies who could care less about the effects their products have on people. All's they care about is PROFIT.

I would say that is the worst thing about our schools. I teach phys. ed. k-3 and to see what comes through the lunch line is incredible. Teaching the kids is easy it's getting parents to understand. We have "wellness policies" that are constantly violated by the teachers and administration which makes my efforts seem worthless especially when they put a candy bar in your mailbox and you are on the wellness committee.

They make mandates and set deadlines to please people but there is no reinforcement. I just had some "Healthy Happy wellness BS " ad come in the mail and it said to make a healthy smootie take strawberries, blueberries, banana, orange juice and low fat yogurt, blend and give that to your kid. Spiking insulin levels is fun and healthy and you can wash it down with a pound bag of sunchips for fiber.

I saw a parent walking around the mall one day with that exact snack for her kid and thought it was healthy because it was a fruit smoothie....and sunchips. She honestly thought that was healthy. You have to get to the people buying the food. You can teach the kids not to smoke but when the people who love and care for you puff away and don't seem to care what message and how powerful that is to overcome?!.

The same with the food you have to get more opportunities to get to the parents. I'm working on it here and it is brutal in an area that has just added bowling as one of our newest high school sports teams. Nothing against bowlin but anything I can do while smoking and drinking?? I don't know. Bowling league scores take a page and a half of the sports page and the state champion cross country runner get a 1"x1" pic on page 3 of the sports page"good job!"

This subject does p*** me off but I do try to spread the word about healthy eating I live in a community where there is almost no activity that doesn't involve or revolve around food. I would like to know how many eateries there are here per square mile.....I can hardly wait for the Hoss's to be put right down from the Golden Coral! I'm bring my own fork in a special carrying case with a chorus that sings when I open it. Sorry if all of this sounds pathetic but Chris started it.

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Spartiates
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musclegym wrote:
Grindsmen wrote:
Why isnt "Nutrition" taught in Grade School or High School? And why are schools loaded with crap filled vending machines? Pop, candy bars, or maybe some "healthy" sugar water. Anyone?

Why arent Dr.'s taught Nutrition? Why is it all about the drugs these days? Why are professors at Med Schools like Harvard on the board at Pharmaceutical companies? Can you say "Billion Dollar Industry"?

Our current society makes it very easy to be fat and lazy. It's crammed down our throats each and every day by companies who could care less about the effects their products have on people. All's they care about is PROFIT.

I would say that is the worst thing about our schools. I teach phys. ed. k-3 and to see what comes through the lunch line is incredible. Teaching the kids is easy it's getting parents to understand. We have "wellness policies" that are constantly violated by the teachers and administration which makes my efforts seem worthless especially when they put a candy bar in your mailbox and you are on the wellness committee.

They make mandates and set deadlines to please people but there is no reinforcement. I just had some "Healthy Happy wellness BS " ad come in the mail and it said to make a healthy smootie take strawberries, blueberries, banana, orange juice and low fat yogurt, blend and give that to your kid. Spiking insulin levels is fun and healthy and you can wash it down with a pound bag of sunchips for fiber.

I saw a parent walking around the mall one day with that exact snack for her kid and thought it was healthy because it was a fruit smoothie....and sunchips. She honestly thought that was healthy. You have to get to the people buying the food. You can teach the kids not to smoke but when the people who love and care for you puff away and don't seem to care what message and how powerful that is to overcome?!.

The same with the food you have to get more opportunities to get to the parents. I'm working on it here and it is brutal in an area that has just added bowling as one of our newest high school sports teams. Nothing against bowlin but anything I can do while smoking and drinking?? I don't know. Bowling league scores take a page and a half of the sports page and the state champion cross country runner get a 1"x1" pic on page 3 of the sports page"good job!"

This subject does p*** me off but I do try to spread the word about healthy eating I live in a community where there is almost no activity that doesn't involve or revolve around food. I would like to know how many eateries there are here per square mile.....I can hardly wait for the Hoss's to be put right down from the Golden Coral! I'm bring my own fork in a special carrying case with a chorus that sings when I open it. Sorry if all of this sounds pathetic but Chris started it.


Isn't it also a problem that what's considered healthy is "debatable".

I grew up in the 90s, so healthy was high-carb, low-fat, and as little animal product as possible: whole grains and granola will save the world. Many "experts" still think this way. School start giving kids beef instead of low-fat chips and spaghetti a lot of people will go ape-shit.

Your smoothie example is great, I bet 99/100 Americans thinks a fruit smoothie made with frozen fruit and fruit juice (no dairy, because that will kill you) is a really healthy snack...

I don't even know how one would begin to change the general population's paradigm on this.

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kim5np
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chris, have you read about the 550 lb woman, whose goal is to be 1,000 lbs! She evidently has a website that helps fund her goal. She is a mother of two, I believe. What a disgrace to her family. What a disgrace to a society that supports her by paying to view her pictures. I doubt she will live to hit her 1,000 lb mark, and her cute little girl will be motherless.

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Chris Shugart
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kim5np wrote:
chris, have you read about the 550 lb woman, whose goal is to be 1,000 lbs! She evidently has a website that helps fund her goal. She is a mother of two, I believe. What a disgrace to her family. What a disgrace to a society that supports her by paying to view her pictures. I doubt she will live to hit her 1,000 lb mark, and her cute little girl will be motherless.


Yep, saw that. Her hubby is a "feeder" - a person who gets off on feeding and making someone obese as part of a sexual fetish.

Related story: many of those "fat acceptance" groups that gripe about having to buy two airplane seats were founded by sexual fetishists too. So while they try to sell "fat rights" and "anti-fatism" as some sort of civil rights movement, it is in fact a cover for a bunch of guys who only get hard for fat chicks. Sad.

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reppy
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Chris Shugart wrote:

2. Fat people cost employers 45 billion per year. And fat people take more sick days and are less productive. You're less likely to get a raise if your employer is losing money on his fat employees. (Can't fire them though, that's "fatism.")


I realize this thread is a bit old, but there's been some activity recently and I thought I'd add a point that's often overlooked when it comes to employers.

When I was first hired on by my current employer (retail), I had to cut my hair. Why? Because I had long hair. What message does long hair send to customers? I really don't know. But apparently, the message being overweight sends is okay.

Let's compare the lifestyle choices for long hair vs being fat. Since at one point in time, I've been in both worlds (and once even at the same time!), I know what it takes to reach each stage.

In order to have long hair .. I didn't cut my hair for awhile. In order to be fat, I had to live a sedentary life. I ate a lot of food. Very, very unhealthy food. I did not cook for myself. I subsisted on a diet of Taco Bell, Jack in the Box, and frozen pizzas. I felt miserable at all times. I had back problems. As an overweight person, I was a slave to my urges and cravings. If I wanted to eat something, I did not contemplate the ramifications of what it would do to my body. And I consistently made those poor decisions to the point that it became part of my identity. I was generally unhappy with life. I was physically unattractive to myself as well as others. I've looked back at pictures of myself from those times, and you can see in my face how miserable I felt.

So, which is worse? And why do employers discriminate based on hair length but not belt size?

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MarvelGirl
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reppy wrote:


So, which is worse? And why do employers discriminate based on hair length but not belt size?


To put it simply: Because they can. In some jobs where a persons physical appearance is taken under consideration, employers can refuse employment based on weight. Oh boy, you should see how that goes down sometimes, it can get UGLY. Our society has made the statement that judging anyone based on weight is unacceptable. I doubt that it will be that way forever, eventually some other thing will become the untouchable and unnameable trait. Right now, it's weight.

FTR, I'm not being insensitive, I've been denied employment based on both hair length and belt size, lol.

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reppy
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MarvelGirl wrote:
reppy wrote:


So, which is worse? And why do employers discriminate based on hair length but not belt size?


To put it simply: Because they can. In some jobs where a persons physical appearance is taken under consideration, employers can refuse employment based on weight. Oh boy, you should see how that goes down sometimes, it can get UGLY. Our society has made the statement that judging anyone based on weight is unacceptable. I doubt that it will be that way forever, eventually some other thing will become the untouchable and unnameable trait. Right now, it's weight.

FTR, I'm not being insensitive, I've been denied employment based on both hair length and belt size, lol.


No, I completely understand. Ultimately, the employer is bending to what society perceives as "acceptable." No one will cry me a river because I wasn't allowed employment because of a haircut. But if someone can't fly on a plane because they're too fat to fit on a single seat -- holy crap, watch out!

I guess hair style is a "choice", and being fat is a "medical condition." (I used to use that one -- it's my medication that makes me fat! "Oh really, your doctor prescribed you Jumbo Jacks?")

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Chris Shugart
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Interesting points there, reppy!

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Fezzik
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"Are You Becoming a Fatist?"
http://www.postandcourier.com/...ming-a-fattist/

Despite the seemingly negative connotation of "-ist" terms, this article kinda makes it sounds like fatists are part of the solution by embarrassing people into losing weight; Chris I instantly thought of you.

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I understand your righteous anger. I don't hate fat people. I hate lazy people. Lazy people who make excuses and don't want to help themselves. That's what really pisses me off. Otherwise, if the individual is trying to better their life. Good for them.

Hard sacrifice + positive attitude = Success my friends.

Love & Happiness to all.

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ohh ya, good times. soon the usa wont dominate sports anymore!!

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killerDIRK
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the Great thing about fat people is that they are easier to catch, kill, clean, cook and eat (all that fat makes for good eating). Isn't this the way of Soylent Green ???

It pisses the FUCK out of me that I have spent my entire life active and healthy (181-190# w/ +/- 9%BF)( 5:15 solo cycling century and 3:40 marathon) and my INSURANCE premiums are throught the roof because of these perfectly pathetic piles of protien protoplasm ;( So next time you see one reach out to them and TAKE A BITE !!!

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mpletten
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legit as fuck!

As a FFB I second this gem!

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Chris i agree 100%, its starting to become a bit of a problem here in Ireland now. The goverment recently gave out free measuring tapes in all pharmicies and told people if you waist was 37 Inches for a man you were obese and 32 Inches for a woman you were obese, i think its a start, but you can only "lead a horse to water" its up to them to make a change.

Didn't Jamie oliver do some good to the eductaion system over there in regards to obesety and eating healty, is it still going strong??

Gareth

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Think tank fish
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I couldn't agree more with the main article.

But it goes further than the self inflicted obese taking money out of your pocket. If healthcare systems were not so burdened by the obese, the care and treatment for other people who try to be healthy but need healthcare through no fault of there own would be that much better.

(this is more aimed at the UK with our national health service. Not really sure how it works in the US)

People who dont try and look after their bodies are a drain all aspects of society.

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Chris Shugart
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Botastic wrote:
Chris i agree 100%, its starting to become a bit of a problem here in Ireland now. The goverment recently gave out free measuring tapes in all pharmicies and told people if you waist was 37 Inches for a man you were obese and 32 Inches for a woman you were obese, i think its a start, but you can only "lead a horse to water" its up to them to make a change.

Didn't Jamie oliver do some good to the eductaion system over there in regards to obesety and eating healty, is it still going strong??

Gareth



That tape measure thing isn't a bad step. I've always believed the tape measure makes things more "real" than the scale.

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MattWeitz
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This kind of thing hits me hard every day- I own a health and supplement shop, and I contantly get a plethora of fat, lazy people looking for the 'magic' pill that will melt off the fat, and pack on slabs of muscle!

I try to tell them that being fat isn't like having the flu, where you have a symptom and you can take a medicine/supplement to overcome it. It's purely about poor lifestyle choices which they are responsible for.

The sad thing is, when I communicate the truth to these people, they look mystified and/or pissed off, and go somewhere else that will sell them that 'magic' pill!!!

Unfortunately, I'm losing income on being honest and straightforward. Sad, huh?

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Matt, my heart goes out to you. I have actually been "fired" from a job or two because of my straight forward style. As the great American alpinist Mark Twight once quoted " the truth stabs deep". I hope that you never give in the direct style you have. It is refreshing to hear of in a time when most people need a 2x4 to the back of the head...lift STRONG ;)

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Linedrive
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Chris, this might interest you:

http://www.slate.com/..._than_fat_.html

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BonnotGang
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Being fat is a negative thing, hating fat people is a negative thing.

The number one reason people spiral out of control is that family and friends sugarcoat weight gain. Up until I was around 14 I was captain of my football team, was in the Triathlon club and was always lean, fit and could eat anything and would stay super healthy.

I got sick of the Triathlon training and thought why go train when I can get drunk with my mates and chill out, I soon stopped football because I had been playing sine I was like 6 and thought I was wasting time that I could be socialising and having fun. I kept eating how I was when I was training everyday, the weight shot up and I did not even realise, when the strech marks started popping up I thought it was the pants I had were shrinking in the wash and cutting into my thighs.

No one said, listen bro, your becoming a weak fucking bitch, stop eating start exercising.

Then by the time you realise your a fat bitch and that six pack has turned to a huge bowl of jelly your so out of shape your facing a mountain to get back to being fit and it is daunting and your so used to not aching anymore and not being disciplined you make excuses and put things off.

The key to fighting obesity is by stopping the decline of activity as people grow up, not by taking away peoples safety net and spouting horrible, self righteous decelerations of your fat so i hate you.

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