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Chris Shugart
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Why I "Hate" Fat People

"Why do you hate fat people so much, Chris?"

It's a question I get often. And of course, the truth is that I do not hate fat people. In fact, helping fat people is a big part of my job and my passion in this field.

I used to be fat, and I know how the world simply changes when the fat is gone. It goes far beyond the numbers on a scale, and I want all overweight people to experience that.

But...

I hate laziness. I hate excuse-making. I hate rationalization and self-bullshitting. I hate willful ignorance. I hate watching people piss away their potential. I hate it when people blame everyone but themselves. I hate mental weakness.

And that pretty much describes most fat people.

Yet at the same time, I'll bend over backward to help those who truly want to change. I've been there. And here is a much nicer place.

Then I read stuff like this below and think, "Hmmm, maybe I really do hate fat people." Because, as you'll see, this isn't a "live and let live" topic. Fat people affect all of us. Check this out:

[Info from MSM Money]

1. If there were no fat people, it would be cheap to fly. It takes a lot of jet-fuel these days to haul all those enormous asses around.

2. Fat people cost employers 45 billion per year. And fat people take more sick days and are less productive. You're less likely to get a raise if your employer is losing money on his fat employees. (Can't fire them though, that's "fatism.")

3. Fat people jack up everyone's insurance rates and health care costs. Who do you think has to pay for those double-wide wheelchairs?

4. If no one in America were fat, every household would pocket an extra $4,270 a year.

Of course, there's a lot of money to be made on fat people too. I'm cool with that as long as this is somehow helping them drop the lard: exercise machines, gym memberships, fat loss supplements, diet and nutrition books, etc.

But as much as I love capitalism, it irks me to see the booming market that revolves around supporting and catering to fat people: extra sturdy toilet seats, super-sized furniture, "reaching tools" for the bathroom (yes, that's exactly what you think it is).

Think I'm kidding? Check these out:

http://www.bigjohntoiletseat.c...
http://www.oversizesolutions.c...
http://www.amplestuff.com

How about this? If you can't wipe your own ass or reach down to clip your toenails or sit on a toilet without pulverizing it, lose some fucking weight! Too fat to fit into an airplane seat? Well then, you don't get to fly! Problem solved.

I believe that when we cater to weak or lazy people we encourage them to be weaker and lazier. It's why the welfare system failed and created generations of dependents.

Now our grocery stores have to provide electric carts for "disabled" people. Well, "disabled" better mean you're missing your fucking legs and/or you're 107 years old. Hey, guess who needs to be increasing their NEPA by walking? Yeah, you, ya 300 pound lazy schmuck!

Oh, and guess who pays for the $2000 electric scooter? I do, through higher food costs. Gee, thanks. Between that and the fat truck driver (overweight drivers cause vehicles to use more gas -- 18 gallons a year at least), my chicken breasts and broccoli cost more.

I say we program the electric scooters to stop working whenever junk food or sugared-colas are added to the cart. Better yet, we program them to tip over.

And we don't give our kids fat sensitivity training. No, we teach them to point and make "eeeeeew" noises when they see fat people.

We make it hard to be fat, not easier. If we treated babies like fatties, they'd never learn to walk.

66% of the US population is now overweight, obese, or morbidly obese. It costs us all money. If they want our help, we give it to them. We share our training, diet, and supplement knowledge. Gladly.

But if they're lazy, if they make excuses, blame others, or embrace their ignorance, then let them stay fat and die. And hey, we have products for that too:

http://www.oversizecasket.com/...


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buck mulligan
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I just referenced this article in a paper I'm writing.

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TBuck5
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Feeling bad for people is one thing, but only if they are all out of options to either be saved or save themselves. Survival is a natural instinct and for some it never clicks, even in seriously dire situations. The information, the equipment, the facilities (or your own creativity and inventiveness to make or use ANYTHING as exercise equipment) is all there for you. Don't want to be fat and miserable? Put down the fucking ice cream cone, beer, or whatever the hell it is you eat excessively and get to fucking work.

Besides, junk food is twice as enjoyable and great tasting in extreme moderation or in the form of a reward. I agree with you, Shug, it's not about hating fat people, it's about hating what makes them that way. Survival of the fittest...survive or don't survive. It is NOT COMPLICATED.

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If it weren't for fat people, I wouldn't look so damn sexy.

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dakotah_13
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simply brilliant.

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RobRaynerBB
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hahaha nice rant Chris, now to send this to my parents ;)

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TNUT
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Survival of the Dumbest!
If you haven't already you must watch idiocracy funny movie and it looks like were heading that way!

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TNUT wrote:
Survival of the Dumbest!
If you havent already you must watch idiocracy funny movie and it looks like were heading that way!


great movie

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Quote of the month
"I hate laziness. I hate excuse-making. I hate rationalization and self-bullshitting. I hate willful ignorance. I hate watching people piss away their potential. I hate it when people blame everyone but themselves. I hate mental weakness."

This statement is more prevalent then it seems at first blush. It can easily be applied to more aspects in life; not just being fat.
It applies to those who sponge off the system; to those who expect everything and work for nothing, it applies to those who spend their lives wishing for the better things/ways instead of working for them.

Each one of us is LOADED with potential. Question is - are we all ready to fulfill it?

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There's a porta-bidet... just can't get rid of that mental image.

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That's the problem with socialism all the fit people have to carry all the fat people.

Personally I don't give a rats ass if someone is fat. I just don't want to pay their medical bills.

That's the beauty of capitalism everyone gets to choose what they want to be. I choose to be fit and healthy. If someone else chooses to be fat that's fine but they have to deal with the consequences. It makes so much sense yet some people just don't get it.

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... and on the other side... now that everyone has cheered what is simply a hate rant...

My wife... with complete kidney failure and balance issues because the fluid level in her body is always fluctuating-- five kilos in two days if you really want to know... fifty kilos of fluid that she can't get off because every time we try to push her further, her blood pressure drops to <100 over <50 and she passes out... and neuropathy of the feet and lower legs, so she can't feel the ground when she does walk... and surgery for mineral deposits that took 45% of the muscle tissue in her left calf, so when she DOES walk, she walks with a cane or a walker...

so yup... she's overweight... and doing what she can about it... three years ago she couldn't get TO the bathroom alone, let alone take care of herself when she got there...

she's one of those fat people you hate... just so you know... and about half of the time, she rides one of those electric carts... just so you know... and the other half of the time, she pushes a shopping cart and we double our time budget because she has to be so careful not to fall... just so you know...

there are those whose health problems will NOT be solved by diet and exercise... to believe otherwise is to wear blinders... I coach for My living too, and I'm well aware that nearly all of us can do more physically than we believe we can... and I push her to do just that, but I can't push her any harder than she drives herself... the woman is amazing...

oh yah, I fergot... three days a week she's hooked up to a machine to clean her blood so she doesn't die in ten days or less... and remove as much of that fluid buildup as she can stand, before her legs cramp up so tight she can't even get out of the chair she's confined to while the machine does its thing... then she comes Home with a dehydration headache than can take all night to get past... cuz every ounce of fluid she takes IN will have to be taken OUT by machine... ~~points out the obvious result of having NO kidney function~~ ... and STILL makes dinner for her coaching husband who may not be Home before ten pm or midnight or two am if it's football season... and STILL takes care of household chores so I don't have to...

and if I ever see the reaction in public that reflects the attitude you show here, we'll both just hope it's not you... cuz My very least response will be to reflect that hate filled attitude right back to you...

~~takes a breath... steps off the box... regrets having ever read this thread, as He really DID like the author right up until today...~~

have a great day,

Coach Bear

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Chris Shugart
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Dr_Razor wrote:


Each one of us is LOADED with potential. Question is - are we all ready to fulfill it?


You know, that's where a lot of my "anger" at fat people comes from. Remember, I was a fat guy, really fat, and I knew that just wasn't me, that I was capable of more, that I wasn't lazy or weak-willed.

And I'm nothing special. If I can go from obese to "fitness expert" then everyone can lose fat, build muscle, and get healthy too. It's all about human potential. It's sad to see smart people waste their potential or live a substandard life. And that's why we get angry when people don't even try or assume it's impossible. It's because we KNOW they're capable of being better.






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pdub690
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squattmax, i'm sorry to hear about all that but this article was not written (i believe) about your wife or anyone with conditions such as hers. This article was written about the 450lb chubbers who decide to eat McDonalds 3 meals a day and BK the other 3. Health conditions do not apply to the people targeted by Chris...I believe he was berating those who CHOOSE to live that lifestyle of hopelessness and laziness, not those who can't help it....just a thought.

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pdub690 wrote:
squattmax, i'm sorry to hear about all that but this article was not written (i believe) about your wife or anyone with conditions such as hers. This article was written about the 450lb chubbers who decide to eat McDonalds 3 meals a day and BK the other 3. Health conditions do not apply to the people targeted by Chris...I believe he was berating those who CHOOSE to live that lifestyle of hopelessness and laziness, not those who can't help it....just a thought.


Yep, you nailed it.

There are very few who can legitimately claim health problems, and many of those still make things worse: overeating added to an existing medical condition etc.

If I were in that condition, I'd hate the lazy fat people this article was written about too.

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Why isnt "Nutrition" taught in Grade School or High School? And why are schools loaded with crap filled vending machines? Pop, candy bars, or maybe some "healthy" sugar water. Anyone?

Why arent Dr.'s taught Nutrition? Why is it all about the drugs these days? Why are professors at Med Schools like Harvard on the board at Pharmaceutical companies? Can you say "Billion Dollar Industry"?

Our current society makes it very easy to be fat and lazy. It's crammed down our throats each and every day by companies who could care less about the effects their products have on people. All's they care about is PROFIT.

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Grindsmen wrote:
Why isnt "Nutrition" taught in Grade School or High School? And why are schools loaded with crap filled vending machines? Pop, candy bars, or maybe some "healthy" sugar water. Anyone?

Why arent Dr.'s taught Nutrition? Why is it all about the drugs these days? Why are professors at Med Schools like Harvard on the board at Pharmaceutical companies? Can you say "Billion Dollar Industry"?

Our current society makes it very easy to be fat and lazy. It's crammed down our throats each and every day by companies who could care less about the effects their products have on people. All's they care about is PROFIT.


You're probably right on most of this. Sadly, when nutrition is taught, it's 25 year old food pyramid, carbs-are-all-good, fat-is-all-bad, nonsense.

And while I'm no conspiracy theorist, there is a Big Pharm connection, no doubt. It's true in regular health care and especially true in the mental health field.



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Grindsmen wrote:
Why isnt "Nutrition" taught in Grade School or High School? And why are schools loaded with crap filled vending machines? Pop, candy bars, or maybe some "healthy" sugar water. Anyone?

Why arent Dr.'s taught Nutrition? Why is it all about the drugs these days? Why are professors at Med Schools like Harvard on the board at Pharmaceutical companies? Can you say "Billion Dollar Industry"?

Our current society makes it very easy to be fat and lazy. It's crammed down our throats each and every day by companies who could care less about the effects their products have on people. All's they care about is PROFIT.


The obesity rate in this country is the result of economic development, not any kind of conspiracy. Candy bars, pop, etc. used to be a "treat" until high fructose corn syrup (cheap) replaced sugar (expensive) as a sweetener. Now that crap is everywhere. Physical exercise has been replaced largely with electronic entertainment, etc.

The profit motive is responsible for far more "good" than "bad" when it comes to human activity. Most people in the world would happily trade places with us first-worlders if it meant getting a little chubby. Hell, they would just be thrilled to get enough to eat...of anything. Just a little perspective.

But yes, I agree that people have become very, very lazy, both in terms of physical activity, and in terms of food choices.

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http://aahf.nonprofitsoapbox.c...

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So now the right-wing crap that dominates the politics board is leaking into other parts of the site? I never knew that capitalism and being fit went hand in hand! zzzzzzzz

Irony time:

Top 5 fattest states (All carried by McCain/Joe the Plumber:

Mississippi
West Virginia
Alabama
Louisiana
South Carolina

Top 5 leanest states (All carried by Obama):

Colorado
Hawaii
Connecticut
Massachusetts
Vermont

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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While my statement could be seen as conservative - it does not just apply to simple politics and socialism. Look around your office (for example) - do you not see folks who aren't working as hard as the next; those who expect that big promotion, yet barely work a full day?

Also, being a New Englander - I really don't see this area carrying 3 of the five leanest states (just off casual observation). There are some seriously heavy people out here (again based on observation). Where could I see the study(s) supporting those claims? What werethe mechanisms/variables used to create such a statistic? (We all know that the number of gyms/gym memberships don't really equate to 'lean' or 'healthy' people. Look around at most gyms, too many talkers/socializers, too few hard workers).

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http://calorielab.com/...st-states-2008/

If you think there are a lot of fat people in New England, you've obviously never been to the South.

Also, supposedly "Socialist" European places like Germany have far lower obesity rates than we do. When I lived in Germany, I would go weeks without seeing someone as fat as the average Texan.

Finally, some of the biggest workaholics end up obese because they are so focused on their work that they rely on fast food to get by.

In conclusion, there is no relationship between obesity and "socialism." But I've come to expect that type of nonsense from the right.

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PublickStews wrote:
So now the right-wing crap that dominates the politics board is leaking into other parts of the site? I never knew that capitalism and being fit went hand in hand! zzzzzzzz


To what, specifically, are you referring?

Irony time:

Top 5 fattest states (All carried by McCain/Joe the Plumber:

Mississippi
West Virginia
Alabama
Louisiana
South Carolina

Top 5 leanest states (All carried by Obama):

Colorado
Hawaii
Connecticut
Massachusetts
Vermont

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Not sure what you are getting at.

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PublickStews
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Shugart drew parallels between the welfare state and the coddling of fat people, with the implicit judgment that laziness = fatness = socialism. Brett295 took it even further. The point I'm making is that the average Palin rally attendee, who rails against "socialism," is actually MORE likely to be obese than the hippie liberals who get called socialist.

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PublickStews wrote:
Shugart drew parallels between the welfare state and the coddling of fat people, with the implicit judgment that laziness = fatness = socialism. Brett295 took it even further. The point I'm making is that the average Palin rally attendee, who rails against "socialism," is actually MORE likely to be obese than the hippie liberals who get called socialist.


I didn't take that as an "implicit judgement". Wasn't even on my radar. Not sure where you are getting your information about "Palin rally attendees" either. I find it interesting that sometimes we see the fight we're looking for, whether it's there or not.

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