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j2048b
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myself, was on trt for a while, never saw anything pop on a test while serving, but a friend (subordiante), of mine recently started trt along with hcg and an anti e,

trying to find out if he should be concerned or not,

i never did anything such as those while on trt, just plain ol test with a prescription from my doc sufficed, so nothing was ever done about me, but since my buddy just started his stuff, even with a prescription from his local doc, should he be worried?

and yeah i am posting this just to get some more info, as i already told him to watch out being on an anti e and hcg along with his test.

let me know what you think so i can have a bit more info to throw at him

thanks!

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SailorJerry
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Your basic Military urinalysis test doesn't pick up testosterone or anything like that. Unless his command has a hard-on to get him out, I doubt they would ever order the more specialized urinalysis kit.

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j2048b
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well that's odd, that you say it does not pick up test, as my buddie had gyno, and had surgery, then was put on some androgel, took 9 piss tests in about 3 months, then realized they did not know he was on androgel and had to show proof of it with a doctors consent, but he was a civilian in the civil service.

so it does not pick up on hcg in a males urine either?

thanks sailorjerry1 appreciate it!

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davidcox1
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I am a JAG and prosecuted and defended scores of UA cases. Though I haven't done so recently, I don't think the lab's testing protocols have changed too much over the years. The Air Force lab usually only runs screens on metabolites for the most abused recreational drugs (and they are usually only testing for about three of those, i.e., marijuana, cocaine, LSD). In order to test for higher levels of testosterone, they have to order a special testing protocol, which means you will not be tested for hormone levels in a random UA (which always use the standard protocols).

As already noted, special protocols would require a command-directed UA (which must be based on probable cause). Probable cause should not be based solely on your increased muscle mass. TRT is nearly always by prescription, so if your's isn't, I'd highly recommend getting your medications through a physician. That way, you will have an absolute defense to any test results that show increased hormone levels. The UCMJ only prohibits "unlawful" use--prescribed use is not unlawful.

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j2048b
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thank you sir! much appreciated, for the detailed breakdown! the only other thing that concerns me is that the useage of hcg, in a male and wonder if this will show up on a random ua?

thanks, great info to pass on!



davidcox1 wrote:
I am a JAG and prosecuted and defended scores of UA cases. Though I haven't done so recently, I don't think the lab's testing protocols have changed too much over the years. The Air Force lab usually only runs screens on metabolites for the most abused recreational drugs (and they are usually only testing for about three of those, i.e., marijuana, cocaine, LSD). In order to test for higher levels of testosterone, they have to order a special testing protocol, which means you will not be tested for hormone levels in a random UA (which always use the standard protocols).

As already noted, special protocols would require a command-directed UA (which must be based on probable cause). Probable cause should not be based solely on your increased muscle mass. TRT is nearly always by prescription, so if your's isn't, I'd highly recommend getting your medications through a physician. That way, you will have an absolute defense to any test results that show increased hormone levels. The UCMJ only prohibits "unlawful" use--prescribed use is not unlawful.

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davidcox1
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j2048b wrote:
thank you sir! much appreciated, for the detailed breakdown! the only other thing that concerns me is that the useage of hcg, in a male and wonder if this will show up on a random ua?

thanks, great info to pass on!



davidcox1 wrote:
I am a JAG and prosecuted and defended scores of UA cases. Though I haven't done so recently, I don't think the lab's testing protocols have changed too much over the years. The Air Force lab usually only runs screens on metabolites for the most abused recreational drugs (and they are usually only testing for about three of those, i.e., marijuana, cocaine, LSD). In order to test for higher levels of testosterone, they have to order a special testing protocol, which means you will not be tested for hormone levels in a random UA (which always use the standard protocols).

As already noted, special protocols would require a command-directed UA (which must be based on probable cause). Probable cause should not be based solely on your increased muscle mass. TRT is nearly always by prescription, so if your's isn't, I'd highly recommend getting your medications through a physician. That way, you will have an absolute defense to any test results that show increased hormone levels. The UCMJ only prohibits "unlawful" use--prescribed use is not unlawful.



I don't believe they ever test for HCG (that is, for its metabolite), in part because it is not a controlled substance (it merely requires a prescription). HCG use would not cause a positive result for any other controlled substances.

If it helps, I have been on prescribed TRT, including HCG and estrogen blocker, for several years. I have had several random UAs in that time and I have not popped positive for anything (of course, I never have used and never will use recreational drugs).

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HolyMacaroni
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i know soldiers who use/have been using AAS for years now. they are fine

as david said - unless they are a shitbag and on command's radar, they have little to nothing to worry about

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BH6
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As a CO, I never had the time or the inclination to go after the big guys. I did randon drug screens and some command directed going after meth heads and pot users. I wanted those criminals out of the unit. If a Marine was using something less than legal to get big, it wasn't worth going after as long as he could pass a PFT, hump his gear, didn't get fat, and stayed off the skyline.

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j2048b
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HolyMacaroni wrote:
i know soldiers who use/have been using AAS for years now. they are fine

as david said - unless they are a shitbag and on command's radar, they have little to nothing to worry about



wow thanks, yeah no one that i know of is "ON" so to speak, but i am just looking out for my troops, as they once looked out for me! now a civilian, i want to be able to educate my peep the best i can!

thanks man appreciate the help!

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j2048b
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BH6 wrote:
As a CO, I never had the time or the inclination to go after the big guys. I did randon drug screens and some command directed going after meth heads and pot users. I wanted those criminals out of the unit. If a Marine was using something less than legal to get big, it wasn't worth going after as long as he could pass a PFT, hump his gear, didn't get fat, and stayed off the skyline.




yeah i hear you, i have seen people whom get in deep, and their superiors find a way to make their lives miserable!

i just want to make sure the good guys who are on trt remain in, and dont get in trouble!

as for me, i will be starting hrt/trt soon, and prolly taking hcg, as well allong with either arimedex, or something else,

anyone ever use Winstrol, or cytomel? while in? just checking? dont want to get pinged if i decide to go that route?

thanks for all the help in this matter!

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davidcox1
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BH6 wrote:
As a CO, I never had the time or the inclination to go after the big guys. I did randon drug screens and some command directed going after meth heads and pot users. I wanted those criminals out of the unit. If a Marine was using something less than legal to get big, it wasn't worth going after as long as he could pass a PFT, hump his gear, didn't get fat, and stayed off the skyline.



If only more commanders were as focused on the mission and not the politics! Great perspective. Thanks for sharing.

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Rodimus Black
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BH6 wrote:
As a CO, I never had the time or the inclination to go after the big guys. I did randon drug screens and some command directed going after meth heads and pot users. I wanted those criminals out of the unit. If a Marine was using something less than legal to get big, it wasn't worth going after as long as he could pass a PFT, hump his gear, didn't get fat, and stayed off the skyline.



The Army needs to take a page out of your book of Common Sense.

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Rodimus Black
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davidcox1 wrote:
I am a JAG and prosecuted and defended scores of UA cases. Though I haven't done so recently, I don't think the lab's testing protocols have changed too much over the years. The Air Force lab usually only runs screens on metabolites for the most abused recreational drugs (and they are usually only testing for about three of those, i.e., marijuana, cocaine, LSD). In order to test for higher levels of testosterone, they have to order a special testing protocol, which means you will not be tested for hormone levels in a random UA (which always use the standard protocols).

As already noted, special protocols would require a command-directed UA (which must be based on probable cause). Probable cause should not be based solely on your increased muscle mass. TRT is nearly always by prescription, so if your's isn't, I'd highly recommend getting your medications through a physician. That way, you will have an absolute defense to any test results that show increased hormone levels. The UCMJ only prohibits "unlawful" use--prescribed use is not unlawful.


Just when I thought I could hide out where there were no JAG attorneys... lol

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