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HolyMacaroni
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Join date: Sep 2008
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i am still 'eager to make progress fast'


???

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zraw
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HolyMacaroni wrote:
i am still 'eager to make progress fast'


???


You are eager for making super fast progress, but dont really believe a legal product could give you that.. do you? Which is most likely the difference between you and group 2

The difference between you and the category 2 people I am refering to is that, with or without such product, you are progressing. These people most likely dont, for different factors.

Its also that same difference that will make the category 2 people see more progress than if you had tried it, most likely.

Reason being these category 2 people will fix everything they are doing wrong to justify this major investment, while you wouldnt have as much stuff to fix





If I gave you a detailed nutrition/cycle/training program designed by Hany specially for you, but without telling you about it and without paying you 1$ for it, you wouldnt put as much effort into it than if you paid idk, 5000$ from your own pocket for that same program






I think..

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bugeishaAD
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zraw I like your avatar.

holymac uses a ton of supps.

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deat
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Join date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1046

SSC wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:

Youre not one of the people this thread is criticizing.

I guess because you dont have a picture of yourself in your avatar people may not realize how big you are.


If he was the guy who I think use to be in the avatar... Yeah. Agree.


Yeh I think buff'd looks/looked something like he was cast in the namesake role of "Honey, I shrunk Brock Lesnar's bones, and kept his lbm and haircut constant" LOL

Stu, Synergy, buff'd, ParagonA, Hip Scar, Hostilarier (sp?lol?) and thoughts28378925 are the logs I'll be reading. I think Biotest did a good job picking these folks.

IMO offering Indigo-3G to Level 5's is not only a good business decision (they've "got $!"), but these loyal customers deserve attention (regardless of how impressive their results are).

The Top 3 customers have ordered almost half a million dollars in supps, each!

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The Mage
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Join date: Feb 2003
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Yeah I saw that, holy shit. I wondered if they were the ones reselling on eBay.

I didn't hit 5 until I purchased this, and a few other supps. (Although I am still not sure why we should care.)

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HolyMacaroni
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bugeishaAD wrote:
zraw I like your avatar.

holymac uses a ton of supps.


i actually attribute it to my meticulously kept workout log and food journal

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zraw
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Join date: Jun 2008
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HolyMacaroni wrote:
bugeishaAD wrote:
zraw I like your avatar.

holymac uses a ton of supps.


i actually attribute it to my meticulously kept workout log and food journal


LOL


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buffd_samurai
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Join date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1182

zraw wrote:
You guys need to understand something..

You are not who this product is aimed for, no matter what they could claim.



Do not take this personally, as this is not meant to be, but the way I see it, this product has 2 main targets.

1) The very high level people who can benefit from every little detail (read competitive bodybuilders)

and

2) The people having a hard time making any progress for different reason, or people eager to make progress fast and not really understanding that building a physique takes time







Honestly, how many of you wouldve ordered the product for 400$, even if you had been called, I know I wouldnt have?

Point is, we (i'll include myself in that) fall kind of "between" categories 1 and 2.. so to speak.


Hmmm. I got called....and I jumped at it.

I disagree that this product is only for types 1 and 2 as you have described. I very much believe this product is useful for those in between like yourself and me. And I wanted to find out for myself if the claims were true...again for me.

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zraw
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buffd_samurai wrote:
zraw wrote:
You guys need to understand something..

You are not who this product is aimed for, no matter what they could claim.



Do not take this personally, as this is not meant to be, but the way I see it, this product has 2 main targets.

1) The very high level people who can benefit from every little detail (read competitive bodybuilders)

and

2) The people having a hard time making any progress for different reason, or people eager to make progress fast and not really understanding that building a physique takes time







Honestly, how many of you wouldve ordered the product for 400$, even if you had been called, I know I wouldnt have?

Point is, we (i'll include myself in that) fall kind of "between" categories 1 and 2.. so to speak.


Hmmm. I got called....and I jumped at it.

I disagree that this product is only for types 1 and 2 as you have described. I very much believe this product is useful for those in between like yourself and me. And I wanted to find out for myself if the claims were true...again for me.



Maybe its cause my first language is french and I didnt express myself correctly.

The product, if it does what it claims, is no doubt usefull for just about anyone


What I'm saying is that the main group targets of this product are most likely people from the 2 groups I have described.



Do not take this as an attack of any kind, as it is not one, but from a purely buisness/marketing perspective, guys like you, hospitaler, and the couple of other serious but not competitive lifters that have been called to try this product have been for two main reasons

1) You guys are already all loyals customer, you already spend a lot of cash on these product, not getting a chance to participate in something like that while knowing you are among the top customer wouldve pissed you off, at least a little, most likely. This just strenghten your loyalty to the company, you feel a kind of.. reward

2) It adds to the credibility of the product. You guys are clearly the minority, yet you are part of the first "team" Having only people of the "type 2" getting in on this wouldve made the product look like a "magic pill" for people that dont look like they have been serious about lifting for a lot of time.



Again, im speaking purely on a buisness/marketing perspective.

I completed a major in marketing/publicity/buisness management in an administration school, if this adds any credibility to what im saying




Oh and btw, im not criticizing Biotest, I actually think this is the right move to launch such a product with the condition it is launched in (price, market, overall view on supplements, etc.)

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buffd_samurai
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@zraw: no problem buddy....I didn't take your original post as an attack. I thought you had some very good ideas in that post. Just wanted to provide a little contrast to what you indicated, as I did perhaps misunderstand a portion of what you expressed. My bad.

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WestCoast7
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zraw wrote:
buffd_samurai wrote:
zraw wrote:
You guys need to understand something..

You are not who this product is aimed for, no matter what they could claim.



Do not take this personally, as this is not meant to be, but the way I see it, this product has 2 main targets.

1) The very high level people who can benefit from every little detail (read competitive bodybuilders)

and

2) The people having a hard time making any progress for different reason, or people eager to make progress fast and not really understanding that building a physique takes time







Honestly, how many of you wouldve ordered the product for 400$, even if you had been called, I know I wouldnt have?

Point is, we (i'll include myself in that) fall kind of "between" categories 1 and 2.. so to speak.


Hmmm. I got called....and I jumped at it.

I disagree that this product is only for types 1 and 2 as you have described. I very much believe this product is useful for those in between like yourself and me. And I wanted to find out for myself if the claims were true...again for me.



Maybe its cause my first language is french and I didnt express myself correctly.

The product, if it does what it claims, is no doubt usefull for just about anyone


What I'm saying is that the main group targets of this product are most likely people from the 2 groups I have described.



Do not take this as an attack of any kind, as it is not one, but from a purely buisness/marketing perspective, guys like you, hospitaler, and the couple of other serious but not competitive lifters that have been called to try this product have been for two main reasons

1) You guys are already all loyals customer, you already spend a lot of cash on these product, not getting a chance to participate in something like that while knowing you are among the top customer wouldve pissed you off, at least a little, most likely. This just strenghten your loyalty to the company, you feel a kind of.. reward

2) It adds to the credibility of the product. You guys are clearly the minority, yet you are part of the first "team" Having only people of the "type 2" getting in on this wouldve made the product look like a "magic pill" for people that dont look like they have been serious about lifting for a lot of time.



Again, im speaking purely on a buisness/marketing perspective.

I completed a major in marketing/publicity/buisness management in an administration school, if this adds any credibility to what im saying




Oh and btw, im not criticizing Biotest, I actually think this is the right move to launch such a product with the condition it is launched in (price, market, overall view on supplements, etc.)


I completely agree wit you, even if you do speak French...

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Hospitaller
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Join date: Oct 2008
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just thought I'd update here, for anyone who is interested ,but doen't feel like checking out the Indigo logs...

what I've noticed (positive)- ther is most definitely and undeniable "effect" going on here. The claims about unusually good pumps and energy (especially muscular endurance!) are not overblown. I've been getting pumps like nothing I've seen since I was "on". Reps or weights are going up allmost every exercise- each training session. Also just have that "super" feeling when training...it's hard to describe, but guys who have "used" before will know exactly what I'm talking about. Plus, cardio endurance has been noticeably improving. Energy throughout the day is better than avearage... I have cut my caffeine/stim usage in 1/2 or more over the last 2 weeks, also the body heat/furnace effect is hitting me big time: I take 4 caps 1 hr before meals, eat , then 1 hour after meal, I'm a blazing inferno, sweating, everything (no matter wether the meal was high carb or low carb) actually not sure if this is a positive or negative effect, lol....

what I've noticed (negative)- the increased energy has caused me to overdo it a bit, started feeling mentally fried, had to add in some Power Drive, which has helped somewhat, Buff'd and some others have reported oily skin, I hadn't noticed at first, but it has definitely started over the past few days, also I have noticed a bit of anxiety/irratibility the last few days, but honestly work/family schedule has been hellacious this week- could be that, or just overtraining maybe? Also, have been developing hives the past few days, could just be stress related though (only othe time I got hives was for the few months before my wedding, doctor told me it was "nerves", ha), however one of the girls Hawaii) also reported this side effect, so maybe something there....

my overall take so far: is this an EXCELLENT supplement? I am comfortable saying yes already at this point. Is this a supplement worth $380 a pop? Not sure yet, if over time, the next couple more weeks the body comp changes are on par with the "feel" effects so far, then -yes. If the effects are limited to what I have seen so far, I would classify it is a great supplement for sure, but at the price, worthy to get, I'm not sure...

hope this is helpful, trying to be as honest and helpful as I can be. My "gut" says that from what I've seen so far, extended use will indeed yield some extraordinary results, we'll have to wait and see. Posting progress pics tomorrow, I "think" I've made progress, but I'm my own worst critic, so it's really hard for me to judge..

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NIguy
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Hospitaller wrote:
just thought I'd update here, for anyone who is interested ,but doen't feel like checking out the Indigo logs...

what I've noticed (positive)- ther is most definitely and undeniable "effect" going on here. The claims about unusually good pumps and energy (especially muscular endurance!) are not overblown. I've been getting pumps like nothing I've seen since I was "on". Reps or weights are going up allmost every exercise- each training session. Also just have that "super" feeling when training...it's hard to describe, but guys who have "used" before will know exactly what I'm talking about. Plus, cardio endurance has been noticeably improving. Energy throughout the day is better than avearage... I have cut my caffeine/stim usage in 1/2 or more over the last 2 weeks, also the body heat/furnace effect is hitting me big time: I take 4 caps 1 hr before meals, eat , then 1 hour after meal, I'm a blazing inferno, sweating, everything (no matter wether the meal was high carb or low carb) actually not sure if this is a positive or negative effect, lol....

what I've noticed (negative)- the increased energy has caused me to overdo it a bit, started feeling mentally fried, had to add in some Power Drive, which has helped somewhat, Buff'd and some others have reported oily skin, I hadn't noticed at first, but it has definitely started over the past few days, also I have noticed a bit of anxiety/irratibility the last few days, but honestly work/family schedule has been hellacious this week- could be that, or just overtraining maybe? Also, have been developing hives the past few days, could just be stress related though (only othe time I got hives was for the few months before my wedding, doctor told me it was "nerves", ha), however one of the girls Hawaii) also reported this side effect, so maybe something there....

my overall take so far: is this an EXCELLENT supplement? I am comfortable saying yes already at this point. Is this a supplement worth $380 a pop? Not sure yet, if over time, the next couple more weeks the body comp changes are on par with the "feel" effects so far, then -yes. If the effects are limited to what I have seen so far, I would classify it is a great supplement for sure, but at the price, worthy to get, I'm not sure...

hope this is helpful, trying to be as honest and helpful as I can be. My "gut" says that from what I've seen so far, extended use will indeed yield some extraordinary results, we'll have to wait and see. Posting progress pics tomorrow, I "think" I've made progress, but I'm my own worst critic, so it's really hard for me to judge..


I've been following your log and a few others unfortunately we cannot comment in that section. Cheers for the update

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buffd_samurai
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As the only other previous "user" that I know is in the I-3G trials, I will have to agree with everything Hospitaller is noting below, except for the hives and the use of Power Drive. Both our logs are up in the Training Log section, and I was thinking that perhaps those who wished to comment, ask questions, can do so here in this thread. Of course, if one is not part of the alpha team, they can't post.

Hospitaller wrote:
just thought I'd update here, for anyone who is interested ,but doen't feel like checking out the Indigo logs...

what I've noticed (positive)- ther is most definitely and undeniable "effect" going on here. The claims about unusually good pumps and energy (especially muscular endurance!) are not overblown. I've been getting pumps like nothing I've seen since I was "on". Reps or weights are going up allmost every exercise- each training session. Also just have that "super" feeling when training...it's hard to describe, but guys who have "used" before will know exactly what I'm talking about. Plus, cardio endurance has been noticeably improving. Energy throughout the day is better than avearage... I have cut my caffeine/stim usage in 1/2 or more over the last 2 weeks, also the body heat/furnace effect is hitting me big time: I take 4 caps 1 hr before meals, eat , then 1 hour after meal, I'm a blazing inferno, sweating, everything (no matter wether the meal was high carb or low carb) actually not sure if this is a positive or negative effect, lol....

what I've noticed (negative)- the increased energy has caused me to overdo it a bit, started feeling mentally fried, had to add in some Power Drive, which has helped somewhat, Buff'd and some others have reported oily skin, I hadn't noticed at first, but it has definitely started over the past few days, also I have noticed a bit of anxiety/irratibility the last few days, but honestly work/family schedule has been hellacious this week- could be that, or just overtraining maybe? Also, have been developing hives the past few days, could just be stress related though (only othe time I got hives was for the few months before my wedding, doctor told me it was "nerves", ha), however one of the girls Hawaii) also reported this side effect, so maybe something there....

my overall take so far: is this an EXCELLENT supplement? I am comfortable saying yes already at this point. Is this a supplement worth $380 a pop? Not sure yet, if over time, the next couple more weeks the body comp changes are on par with the "feel" effects so far, then -yes. If the effects are limited to what I have seen so far, I would classify it is a great supplement for sure, but at the price, worthy to get, I'm not sure...

hope this is helpful, trying to be as honest and helpful as I can be. My "gut" says that from what I've seen so far, extended use will indeed yield some extraordinary results, we'll have to wait and see. Posting progress pics tomorrow, I "think" I've made progress, but I'm my own worst critic, so it's really hard for me to judge..

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Maiden3.16
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I have been following both logs aswell and definatly did not expect to see the such high reviews, especially the comparisons to AAS. Keep up the good work!

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SSC
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Maiden3.16 wrote:
I have been following both logs aswell and definatly did not expect to see the such high reviews, especially the comparisons to AAS. Keep up the good work!


I agree. I will admit that I had a high amount of skepticism, but it's interesting to hear (you) two guys in particular talking about the effect you're feeling. I'm sure I speak for plenty when I say we'll be watch and listening closely.

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ParagonA
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I wrote some posts about I-3G and the way I feel it in my thread in the bodybuilding training forum (How I train...) as well as in my less detailled I-3G log.

I wasn't sure what to expect from the supp, but I can say that it's a truly amazing supplement. Its most pronounced effect is its impact on work capacity.
I can't say pumps during sessions are better, but my muscles feel very pumped for hours after the workout. It makes me sweat like hell, too.
Feel free to check out my bb-thread (w/ pics) and ask any question there or here in the cell.
Cheers, PA

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kakno
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Bump.

What do you think of it?

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Maiden3.16
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I have not seen enough to make me think I need to go out and spend a car payment on Indigo. I see poeple on this very site that don't use Indigo that make as much or more progress than those that use Indigo. I don't discount that it is effective, but sooo effective that it's worth the price? And what is more responsible for some peoples progress, the Indigo or CT's training regimen? That said, having not used indigo or done a CT program I can only speculate.

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