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sam_sneed
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and if you're going to see an ortho, make sure you find one who specializes in the spine. Any other ortho will be a waste of time and money. Trust me on that one.

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scj119 wrote:
Imagine that my spine then goes straight up and down out of the top of the pic. See what I mean how it's curved in the lower back and doesn't attach straight?

That's exactly how I envisioned it. Get dat shit fixed son. You don't want to be one of those old dudes going, "I used to pull 474 ..."

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Spock81
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Wishing you a speedy recovery.
I do frequent/creep this log all the time so I am hopin' you can post some awesome lifting numbers in the near future for my motivation :D

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VTBalla34
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dude that shit looks wicked! Nice work!

Have you tried foam rolling it and duct tape?

I'm kinda serious...it looks like you are just spasasmed all to shit right now...one side is probably pulling you out of alignment...I highly doubt you got spinal damage from what you did, so most likely muscular...I would get some massages, adjustments, and tissue work with the foam roller and see if you see any improvement.

I also know a pretty decent ART guy if you want to check him out.

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scj119
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Funny, my diet has been shit since my injury. I feel like I'm not working out and therefore not improving my body anyway, so why bother.

I am keeping one rule of sticking to maintenance calories though. I don't want to gain or lose weight while not lifting since it will be the wrong kind of weight to gain/lose.

sam_sneed wrote:
scj119 wrote:
Imagine that my spine then goes straight up and down out of the top of the pic. See what I mean how it's curved in the lower back and doesn't attach straight?


Hey man, was just lurking in the logs and noticed you were having back issues. My spine X-ray resembled that picture except a little worse. Is either side (or boths sides) of your back in spasm? i.e. if someone touches that side, does it feel hard as a rock? In my case , the muscle on one side was super tight (highly spasmed) and pulled my spine out of alignment. I just got surgery and since the muscle spasm is relieved, my post surgery x-ray is almost 100% straight.

Physical therapy and chiro can help if they hook you up to the stim/electrode machines. It helps relieve the tightness on the back muscle which could be pulling your spine out of alignment. Massage helps too.

I'm not sure what arrangement you have with your chiro but I've been to a few in my time. They ALL want you in 3 days a week in the beginning. For me, I think it's because they know my insurnace covers 30 chiro visits a year and they want to make sure they get all 30 in. For this reason, I NEVER pay them copays. Since they know they're going to see me repeatedly, I always work out a deal where I'm not paying any copay. Just my 100 deductible which is good for the year. I'm not sure how they charge you but I just wanted to put that out there. They always start asking for copays but I negotiate it away.

Good luck on your recovery!


Sneed! What's good dude?

I don't have a copay thankfully, I do have a balls high deductible though. Not much I can do there. I may have to look up surgery options because 2 weeks later I do not apear to be standing any straighter when I look in the mirror.

sam_sneed wrote:
and if you're going to see an ortho, make sure you find one who specializes in the spine. Any other ortho will be a waste of time and money. Trust me on that one.


Thanks again man.

spar4tee wrote:
scj119 wrote:
Imagine that my spine then goes straight up and down out of the top of the pic. See what I mean how it's curved in the lower back and doesn't attach straight?

That's exactly how I envisioned it. Get dat shit fixed son. You don't want to be one of those old dudes going, "I used to pull 474 ..."


When I'm old I'm going to say "I used to pull 700". Marathon not a sprint though.

Spock81 wrote:
Wishing you a speedy recovery.
I do frequent/creep this log all the time so I am hopin' you can post some awesome lifting numbers in the near future for my motivation :D


Thanks for stopping in, and for the well wishes. I gotta get back at it for my fans apparently.

VTBalla34 wrote:
dude that shit looks wicked! Nice work!

Have you tried foam rolling it and duct tape?


I lol'd at both parts


I'm kinda serious...it looks like you are just spasasmed all to shit right now...one side is probably pulling you out of alignment...I highly doubt you got spinal damage from what you did, so most likely muscular...I would get some massages, adjustments, and tissue work with the foam roller and see if you see any improvement.

I also know a pretty decent ART guy if you want to check him out.


It's definitely muscular, I've pinched my spine before and it's a way different feeling.

I don't really know shit about ART, maybe it's time to look it up. I have jack shit else to do while not lifting.

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sam_sneed
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scj119 wrote:
Sneed! What's good dude?

I don't have a copay thankfully, I do have a balls high deductible though. Not much I can do there. I may have to look up surgery options because 2 weeks later I do not apear to be standing any straighter when I look in the mirror.



Just chillin. Got a month off work and bored as hell . Back surgery recovery is a bitch. Catching up on basketball as well.

Is this the first time this has happened to you? If so, I'd keep up with the chiro and physical therapy. I was able to train with 2 bad discs for about 4 years before I needed surgery. I would avoid it unless it was very, very necessary. If you want to be sure, request an MRI. I'm pretty sure my chiro was able to order one up for me. It don't think it will cost you anything.

The spasm should let up eventually. I was having one about once a year in the beginning and that got more frequent. It took anywhere between 1 to 4 weeks for people at work to stop telling me I look crooked lol.

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scj119
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sam_sneed wrote:
scj119 wrote:
Sneed! What's good dude?

I don't have a copay thankfully, I do have a balls high deductible though. Not much I can do there. I may have to look up surgery options because 2 weeks later I do not apear to be standing any straighter when I look in the mirror.



Just chillin. Got a month off work and bored as hell . Back surgery recovery is a bitch. Catching up on basketball as well.

Is this the first time this has happened to you? If so, I'd keep up with the chiro and physical therapy. I was able to train with 2 bad discs for about 4 years before I needed surgery. I would avoid it unless it was very, very necessary. If you want to be sure, request an MRI. I'm pretty sure my chiro was able to order one up for me. It don't think it will cost you anything.

The spasm should let up eventually. I was having one about once a year in the beginning and that got more frequent. It took anywhere between 1 to 4 weeks for people at work to stop telling me I look crooked lol.


I'll try to be more patient. It's been 2 weeks now.

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scottkoscielniak
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sucks to hear about ur back bro. Hope you heal up quickly

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scj119
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Rehab Training

I asked my doc if I could play bball and he said basically do whatever you want as long as it's pain free, so I lifted.

Today was awesome - chiro said I am looking much better and I fucking LIFTED! I made extra sure to do nothing that tweaked my back at all. Obviously squats and deads are out, and OHP, as they load the spine. Even benching, I feel uncomfortable with a tight arch.

Went in today planning on finding something that worked for legs. Ditched anything that I could feel in my back

Workout
Tons of foam rolling and stretching

Hack Squat Machine 1pps x nope
Leg Press 1pps x nope
HSM 2nd try, different position, 1pps x 8, 2pps x nope

Decided to do upper instead, planned on floor press but racks were taken. Tried decline bench since a) I reasoned there would be no stress at all on my lower back, all the weight on my upper back, and b) I haven't done it in about 4 years so I would definitely PR

A1) Decline Bench
- it felt SO heavy in my hands, not till after my top set did I realize I was setting up with the bar way behind my head. Actually pretty dangerous. Once I got the motion down correctly (not till top set) I realized I was locking out a foot away from the hooks.
75 x 5
105 x 5
135 x 3 PR
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185 x 5 PR
205 x 5 PR
225 x 5 PR <--- explosive, felt so good I did some more
185 x 11

B2) Chins
bw x 5, 6, 6, 6, 5

C) Chest Supported T-Bars x nope

C1) Straight Arm Pulldowns
3 x 8

C2) Tricep Rope Pushdowns
9 x 10
9 x 8
8 x 8

D) Machine Curls
70 x 10
80 x 8
80 x 8

Boom. Felt awesome lifting weighted objects again.

Got home and made mashed potatoes from scratch for the first time - this was THE TITS.

scottkoscielniak wrote:
sucks to hear about ur back bro. Hope you heal up quickly


Thanks dude I am getting there.

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VTBalla34
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Good to hear you're back in the saddle bro...ease back into it and you will be good to go in no time.

Im doing a light deload workout Saturday if you're interested

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WhiteFlash
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Damn dude, sorry to hear about your back. Glad you're pushing through. Kobe Bryant would approve.

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Spock81
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Glad you made it back into the gym! I must admit it was really weird not having your log in the top three every single day, loL.

You live on page 1!!

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scj119
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God damn, my tris are sore today, feels like I haven't worked out in 2 months. Feels good though.

Gonna try to hit up legs this afternoon. I'm thinking trap bar deads or hack squats (with a barbell, not the machine) - one of them might work for not hurting my back. If not, my main movement might be lying hamstring curls.

VTBalla34 wrote:
Good to hear you're back in the saddle bro...ease back into it and you will be good to go in no time.

Im doing a light deload workout Saturday if you're interested


Sorry man, I think I'm going to shamrockfest (scored free VIP tickets through my girl). If it rains I might not go, but either way I'm gonna work legs tonight.

WhiteFlash wrote:
Damn dude, sorry to hear about your back. Glad you're pushing through. Kobe Bryant would approve.


Haha, thanks man. Good to see you back in the logs section.

Spock81 wrote:
Glad you made it back into the gym! I must admit it was really weird not having your log in the top three every single day, loL.

You live on page 1!!


I guess I do. Partially because I train a lot and partially because I just like to hear myself talk (see myself write?)

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spar4tee
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You have nowhere to go but up

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scj119
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3/23/12 : Road to Recovery

Trap Bar Deads seemed to not aggravate my lower back, however I will reserve judgment till I see how I look/feel tomorrow morning.

Slowly getting back into things.. low volume, not much choice as to leg exercises when you can't load the spine. Was really tentative on the Trap Bar DLs.

Workout
A) Trap Bar Deadlifts
135 x 8
185 x 5
225 x 5
255 x 5
275 x 5
295 x 5
315 x 3 <--- vid to be posted later

B) Lying Hammy Curls
70 x 15
100 x 11
100 x 10
100 x 8
-backed off weight here and focused on form, I got more out of it than I did using 130lbs.

Incline walk: 12-15% incline, 25 mins, 1.2miles

Got VIP ticketes to http://shamrockfest.com/ tomorrow. Free beer all day! Tickets were free. Having a girl who knows people pays off.

Have a good weekend y'all. Doc said to try some basketball this weekend so I will on Sunday.

spar4tee wrote:
You have nowhere to go but up


It would seem so. Thanks bud.

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scj119
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something different.

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scj119
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3/26/12. Upper Body Fuckingaround

Still recovering from the back injury. Feels a ton better this week. Switching to a male doc did me wonders, he uses a lot more force when realigning me, I actually hear things pop, and frankly I now think that frail ass chick wasn't doing shit.

Still not 100% though, and only doing exercises where my lower back doesn't feel a thing. This throws out a lot more exercises than you realize.

Workout
A) Floor Press
65 x 5
95 x 5
135 x 5
185 x 5
205 x 5
230 x 3

B1) Lat Pulldown (alternate overhand/underhand)
10 x 10
10 x 10
11 x 8
11 x 10
10 x 8

B2) Bodyweight dips
5 x 10

C) Lateral Raise
25 x 10
25 x 8
25 x 8

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cholulalula
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The trap DLs look good!

Glad you're back at things. I also realize that this is futile and I'm being your mother, but please take it slow.

Anyway, looking lean and strong!!

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fr0IVIan
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i tweaks my back somewhere new last week so what you're going through is very informative (and unfortunate =( )


sucks you cant even do chest supported rows wtfff. since you're looking for leg exercises that won't load the spine, have you looked into doing a dip belt squat? Ben Bruno wrote an article about it some time ago. basically you wear and load a dip belt, then do a squat while standing on something wide and high enough to give the weights room to come down underneath you. you could probably set up two sets of steps or boxes if your gym has them.

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scj119
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Played 20mins of ball last night per my doc's recommendation. Everything felt pretty good.

Or at least my back did. If my vertical leap is any indication of strength, I am not looking forward to seeing how much strength I've lost. Couldn't even get my fingers over the rim. Egad.

cholulalula wrote:
The trap DLs look good!

Glad you're back at things. I also realize that this is futile and I'm being your mother, but please take it slow.

Anyway, looking lean and strong!!


Thanks mom.

Trap DLs are much harder than I thought. Thought 365 would be easy. But they are basically like close stance squats with no stretch reflex. I'm sure if I did them a lot they'd be easier.

fr0IVIan wrote:
i tweaks my back somewhere new last week so what you're going through is very informative (and unfortunate =( )


sucks you cant even do chest supported rows wtfff. since you're looking for leg exercises that won't load the spine, have you looked into doing a dip belt squat? Ben Bruno wrote an article about it some time ago. basically you wear and load a dip belt, then do a squat while standing on something wide and high enough to give the weights room to come down underneath you. you could probably set up two sets of steps or boxes if your gym has them.


Yeah, I'm not sure how I would load such a thing though. Plus the weight is hanging from your lower back so it doesn't seem like the best idea. I had actually thought about it before you posted.

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fr0IVIan
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my post got eaten....?


as I understood the exercise, the weight would actually be hanging off your hips and put no load whatsoever on any part of your back.

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scj119
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Went to nephrologist, my BP was mysteriously perfect, like slightly below 120/80 average on three readings. I have no idea why it went down. I haven't measured it in about 3-4 weeks and it was still 145/92 at the time. My guesses are

1.) Infection, because the high BP came on so suddenly and left just as quick
2.) Lots of small lifestyle changes added up. I've been sleeping more, drinking less, eating less fast food, drinking less caffeine, taking CoQ10, doing some steady state cardio
3.) weight loss. Don't think this is it because I had high BP 4 weeks ago when I was still 210, and my BP wasn't high when I first started weighing 220+ , it took a while.
4.) Who fucking knows. The body is weird.

I am going to measure myself at home over the next week and see if it was a random reading, or if I'm actually low now (also will test cuff on a roomie to make sure it's good).

Atlantic City today bitches!!! Get some!

edit - other good news. My girl is interested in starting to strength train. Booyah!

fr0IVIan wrote:
my post got eaten....?


as I understood the exercise, the weight would actually be hanging off your hips and put no load whatsoever on any part of your back.


Yeah but a dip belt rests on your lower back. Plus how the hell would I even set one up? It's irrelevant though I really like trap bar deads so I'm good for now.

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scj119
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My fucking post got eaten

4/2/12. Getting Back Into It

First real workout in a month. I was super weak... although the weight felt plenty light in my hands, I just couldn't move it. Probably my body has neurally forgotten how to lift. I haven't lost bodyweight so I doubt my body is exchanging muscle for fat at a fast pace while I'm eating 300g protein/day.

Or at least that's what I'm telling myself

Workout

Foam Rolling/Stretching

A) Bench
105 x 5
135 x 5
160 x 3
-work sets-
170 x 5
200 x 5
225 x 3 <--lolol

B1) SSB Squat
bar(85) x 10
135 x 10
175 x 8
185 x 8
195 x 6

B2) Bodyweight Chins
7, 7, 6, 6, 7, 6 (I think)

Conditioning
Prowler - 50lbs x 10 trips x 40m - 11:00

On bench, I used the Fitness First bench apparatus for the first time, and it's horrible. Plus the knurlings were different than I'm used to so I couldn't get my grip right... but that shoulda been -1, -2 reps at most. Not -6. Hah.

Also my left leg is way more sore than my right. Either I just was out of practice at squatting or my still-somewhat-crooked upper body is causing an uneven loading on my legs. Not sure yet but I'll be conscious of it going forward.

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VTBalla34
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Good to see ya back at it man...

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scj119
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4/4/12

So, I really underestimated how much hurtin' I put on myself when I worked out for the first time in a month. I could hardly walk due to leg soreness but my upper body is usually fine after 2 days rest so I went at it.

Floor press, Dips, anything that required my front delt to hold any sort of load during the eccentric was simply not happening. Apparently my half a bench session tore my atrohpied delts a new asshole. Seeing's how no compound movements were working at all, I did what I could - arms and abs baby!!! GTL!

A1) Tricep Pushdown
42.5 x 14
50 x 11
50 x 10
50 x 10

A2) EZBar Curls (Standing)
70 x 9
70 x 9
70 x 8
70 x 9

B) Decline Situps
3x11

Since I'm planning on lifting Friday (OHP and either conventional or Sumo DL's depending how my back feels) I didn't want to do 8 sets of arms n shit. This was more of a recovery workout. Plus that's just boring anyway.

Decided to eat my way to recovery for dinner - postworkout meal was 2 mcchickens, mcdouble, snack wrap, fries, full sugar soda and a 50g protein shake afterwards. Haven't eaten like that in a long ass time. I'm not even grossly full so I think I needed it.

VTBalla34 wrote:
Good to see ya back at it man...


Thanks bud, good to be back

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